"Bobbing" a revolver hammer
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=16439871
I won this S&W 10-5 which was advertised in excellent condition. It arrived well packaged in bubble wrap, newspaper and an oversized box in good condition. Approximately 3/16 of an inch is broken off the end of the hammer spur, very evenly, straight across. Otherwise the gun is in very good condition, double action is pretty stiff, it hasn't been shot a great deal. Normal worn spots in the bluing.
Two questions.
Is there a photo wizard here who can superpose the auction picture on another model 10 to see if it was broken when the photos were taken? (or some other method I haven't thought of)
The break or cut has left a very sharp edge which makes single action firing unpleasant. What method would be best to smooth this out without disassembling the gun? I'm thinking very gently with a file, but I'm not at all familiar with this type of thing.
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.
I won this S&W 10-5 which was advertised in excellent condition. It arrived well packaged in bubble wrap, newspaper and an oversized box in good condition. Approximately 3/16 of an inch is broken off the end of the hammer spur, very evenly, straight across. Otherwise the gun is in very good condition, double action is pretty stiff, it hasn't been shot a great deal. Normal worn spots in the bluing.
Two questions.
Is there a photo wizard here who can superpose the auction picture on another model 10 to see if it was broken when the photos were taken? (or some other method I haven't thought of)
The break or cut has left a very sharp edge which makes single action firing unpleasant. What method would be best to smooth this out without disassembling the gun? I'm thinking very gently with a file, but I'm not at all familiar with this type of thing.
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.
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just take a dremel tool with a fine grinding wheel and round it off,if my memory is correct a model 10 has a case hardened hammer so you should not even need to touch up the blue,nice gun and a great price 0 -
The hammer appears to be intact in the photos. You can get a used hammer pretty cheap from your local gunsmith. Or send it back to S&W, they have a lifetime warranty and will probably replace the hammer for free.
Chris8161
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Obviously you did not get the pistol pictured in the description. You have a right to expect an "excellent" condition gun, as advertised.
I would ask the seller to make good on the cost of repairs. A local repair would probably be best, as UPS/FEDEX one-way charges to S&W would be at least $40.
Of course, the seller may just tell you to return it for a refund, & you will have to eat the shipping cost. An honorable person would refund your shipping cost, but you can't force him to. If he fails to satisfy you, your only recourse would be to leave bad feedback.
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quote:Originally posted by nmyers
Obviously you did not get the pistol pictured in the description. You have a right to expect an "excellent" condition gun, as advertised.
Originially posted by Chris8161
The hammer appears to be intact in the photos. You can get a used hammer pretty cheap from your local gunsmith. Or send it back to S&W, they have a lifetime warranty and will probably replace the hammer for free.
The defect in the hammer is not clearly noticable, I didn't see it until after I felt it when cocking the hammer. I think it unlikely that S&W would consider this a warrantable problem. In any case, shipping it anywhere or paying to have it repaired locally is not an option, I won the auction "by accident" thinking I had made a lowball bid that would quickly be topped.
One thing I failed to mention, this same gun was won by someone else and they refused to accept it. I didn't discover this until after I had won the second auction. Neither party left any feedback on the first auction. When I asked the seller what happened he claimed that the buyer thought there was a problem with the "cylinder plate." Only 2 days separated the close and relisting.
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.0 -
Assuming that you checked the s/n of the revolver and it matches the listing. I've encountered sellers using generic pictures and not mentioning it.
The card attached to the pistol, even w/ photo enhancement, is not all the readable but it does look like the s/n listed does start w/ a D, has the right amount of number marks and ends in a 4, but there isn't enough detail to really say for certain.
I'm going to guess that the break is even with the thumb serrations on the hammer and such a thing could be caused by dropping the gun, but I would think that a drop of enough force to cause the break would have caused some other visable damage.
Can you take a picture of the revolver as it is using the same positioning as the top photo in the auction listing. If so fix
the image in your viewfinder so that the pistol pretty much fills the frame. I'll then run it through my software and get it to the proper size. Superimpose ... possible but doubtful, but I can then do a good "side by side". You can pop me an email using the icon bar above this reply and I'll send you my direct email address so you can attach you photo(s) to an email mssg.
I'm also going to rummage in my parts boxes as I may have a "K" hammer.
Lastly per the s/n stated production year was 1968 so you have a nice older M-10 with an little problem.
+++UPDATE+++ your last reply came as I was typing the above and it does make things sound more than a little strange ... anyway get me a photo if you can and I'll look for a useable hammer.
+++2nd Update+++Looks like your seller is a practiced "Gun Show" seller that knows how to use light to their advantage. In the sellers listing picture the hammer is broken, but it is super hard to tell because the photos are taken in shadow. The more I looked at the listing pic the more it did not seem quite right so I went on GB and downloaded an image of another M-10 or the same approx. generation, made the revolvers approx. the same size and you can now see that the tip of the hammer is gone. Below are the two images:
The revolvers are angled a little different, but if you'll look closely the missing tip can be spotted. I'd tell the seller that he either rebates you the cost of the repair or gets a feedback ding for mis-stating condition of the gun. At gunsmith rates here your talking $25 to $40 plus the part and hammers go for $10-15 so my suggestion is to take the "high road" and offer to split the cost because you did get a good price on the revolver if there is nothing else wrong with it. That way if the seller turns out to be a "jerk" you've demonstrated that you tried to go the "extra mile". Lastly, GB has a "fraud" policy so you may want to pursue that if the seller won't step up to things ... you won't see any cash, but it's another venue to give the seller grief for stiffing you.
Oh yeah ... almost forgot ... you can take a file and smooth and round the hammer tip until your comfortable w/ it. I don't suggest dremmel unless you have a lot of practice w/ one as they can get away from you and take more than you want in the blink of any eye. Files let you go slow.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!0 -
Thank you very kindly Contender Man. I have emailed the seller to request a $45 refund. Since I paid with Visa I believe that will give me the needed leverage. I would greatly appreciate it if you could make sure the photos in your post remain available until this is resolved. Thanks again,
Henry
Edit=PS tips on exactly how to proceed with fixing the problem such as what type of file, etc. still welcome.
Edit#2= I got my response in via the feedback he left for me, "A+: fast payer and great communication. Sorry the hammer was broken didn't notice. refund if you want." So I edited my feedback for him to read, "B: Handgun was promptly shipped UPS ground, very well packaged. Seller claimed excellent condition & says he did not notice the tip of the hammer is broken, offered refund."
Thanks again to Contender Man for doing the photo thing. Could someone please tell me what type of file I should buy to smooth down the sharp edge?
Semper Fi
Remember Ruby Ridge.
Experience is the best teacher and usually charges accordingly.0 -
If you get the $45 fine but a replacement hammer can be had for $10-15 on Ebax. S&W parts come up there regularly and it's no big deal to install. Meanwhile you can grind the sharp edges so you don't cut yourself. 0
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