Lyman Quality ?
What do you owners of Lyman Blackpowder Guns have to comment.I'm thinking of buying their Great Plains Model.Are they made as well as there reputation is for Re-Loading Equipment?Whaddua think?
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Yes - They are good quality firearms. My brother has shot one for years. Good fit and finish & accurate too. -- Make sure you check out the barrel twist and that it will work for whatever type bullets you want to shoot or the type hunting you will do with it.Lots of different twists and types of bullets with these type guns........[8D] 0 -
I just purchased a L-H .50-caliber Great Plains flintlock.
Overall quality is good for a rifle in this price range. Wood is European walnut, not black walnut -- a plus.
Barrel is 15/16" untapered. Crown is rudimentary. Cut rifling is .012" and sharp.
Butt plate's butt screw, not toe screw, is either wrongly positioned or poorly chosen. It stuck out until I ground the head.
Wedges are barely long enough. This turned out OK because hooked barrel is so tightly inletted within stock that I had to remove wood beneath entrance wedge plates. Now all fits nice and tight.
Sights are acceptable.
Now for the crap, by my standards. The flintlock uses coil springs for mainspring and sear spring. I believe the caplock also uses coil springs. Side plate has particularly unattractive cast in engraving. Frizzen's pivot is rough.
I invested about two hours working over the lock. Now it sparks acceptably. I shoot Sunday to verify all is well.
The lock is far an away the worst feature of the rifle. However, if it functions OK, that's more than sufficient for me. Regardless, if I intended to keep the rifle after my built-to-order rifles are delivered, I would invest $90 in an L & R Lock Company replacement lock. Problem solved for all time. L & R makes excellent flintlocks. They also make the only replacement lock.
Overall evaluation is: Rifle is definitely worth the $355 I paid. I expect it to be safe and approach 85% of the reliability I expect from my built-to-order rifles. That's doggone good. I do not believe it is worth the $550 list price. But with L & R's lock -- it would be.
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ATTN: LANCE
Where did you buy this for $355 ?
Cabelas price is $399 for the Great Plains and $419 for the Great Plains Hunter (1:32 twist )which is what I want.Can't find them anywhere else on the WEB.
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S.gun - I used to have a Lyman GPR in .50 also, but caplock. Loved it. I have seen prices lowed than Cabelas a couple of places here's the cheapest I found:
https://www.dnrsports.net/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DSC&Category_Code=muzzleloaderslym0 -
I have a follow-up to my information on the Lyman GPR.
We took delivery on a Lyman GPR .50-caliber flintlock about 2-1/2 weeks ago. It is on its way to Lyman for repair/replacement. The facts are:
1. Hammer has no arrester to stop its forward slam on its lock plate.
2. Lock plate is warped -- that is, the pan stands away from the touch hole about 1/16-inch.
3. Double set trigger cannot be adjusted. Over travel screw adjusts nothing; it's too short. Trigger assembly is budget-priced, and I'm being tactful.
4. Butt plate screw hole misaligned. Screw head tears up clothing.
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The unfortunate thing about the situation is that these problems are not obvious until you do make-ready. There were several other niggardly problems, but these are expected on a rifle in this price range.
I have a friend who made a similar (right-handed) GPR from a kit. His is beautiful and works -- well, like it's supposed to. B U T . . .
He replaced Lyman's lock with L & R's replacement flintlock. It strongly resembles my L & R "Late English" lock. And quality of his workmanship is superior to that available on a $400-500 muzzleloader.
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S.gun:
I bought the rifle from:
Elkhorn Valley Outfitters & Gunsmithing
1255 14th Road
West Point, NE 68788
"evoguns" <evoguns@gpcom.net>
I cannot recommend the rifle -- I suspect the Investarms percussion caplock version, first sold by Lyman in 1979, uses the same basic lock parts. The caplock should function better because they tend to be more forgiving of cheap design. Don't know what they'll do about the trigger. Wood and other metal parts seem OK.
Anyway, although the rifle is unworthy of trust, Elkhorn Valley I will do business with again.
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I believe I'll think the Lyman over a bit more.May be that I'll consider the other Rifle I have in mind.It is the Kentucky Style (Blue Ridge) at Cabela's.It is made by Davide Pedersoli.
I thought the Lyman would be of excellant Quality.Don't know about Pedersoli Quality either, but a Website I found for them shows Blackpowder Guns up to $1800.00
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4-Remove the Rod
5-Do Not Forget the Cap.0
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