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ventura_scott
I have an old shot gun I am seeking info on.
It's a side by side 12 Ga. with 30" barrels and double triggers.
On both sides of the reciever it is engraved with a bird dog.
On the top of the reciever under the left barrel it is stamped "40XXX PAT'D", and under the right barrel it's stamped "12"

On the top of the left barrel it is stamped "Western Arms Corp., Ithaca, N.Y." between two arrows.
On top of the right barrel it is stamped "Long Range Gun" between two arrows.

On The bottom of the left barrel it is stamped "LLH" "4 + 40XXX".
On the bottom of the right barrel it is stamped "LLH" "2 +2 3/4 chamber".

Thanks for any info you can provide
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  • ventura_scott
    Any one know of a shotgun manufacturer hs and b. Thought it could be hubbard spencer and bartlett.
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  • CountryGunsmith
    c.1890-1910. Many hundreds of thousands of utility-grade double shotguns were imported from Europe (notably Belgium) to address the huge demand of rural America - at a price point undercutting the domestic manufacturers. Today, these are lumped together as 'Belgian clunkers' regardless of the maker. Mostly true, but there were some well-made examples during that time.

    Yours, however, is a Belgian clunker. NOT proofed for smokeless powder, I'd imagine, so PLEASE do not attempt to shoot it. The actual maker may never be certainly identified, as there were hundreds of small gunmakers in the Liege area active during that period.

    The only value these carry today is as a decorator piece. Some of us actually accumulate them for research into the history of the type, but we are oddballs...
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