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brianmxi
I sold a gun and the ffl that the buyer wants it shipped to says that they don't give copies of their ffl to non ffls.
I believe that it is alright if I only get there license number so I can run the check, am I correct?
Second I've never dealt with an ffl that wouldn't send a copy of their license, is there any reason to be suspicious?
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  • brianmxi
    I'm thinking of getting an FFL. I just want to save money on my own gun purchases which will only be 1 OR 2 here and thier. Do you guys think it's worth the process and the expense. And how tuff is it to get one?
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  • Ronald J. Snow
    I know of no Federal or SC regulation requiring the seller of the firearm to provide a FFL copy to your pawn shop/dealer. However, the owner of the business you deal with can ask for anything that makes him/her happy. Perhaps you should visit another shop and get their opinion prior to attempting to make transfers through them.
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  • Contender Man
    It's not all that unusual to trade license copies when doing business as it simply adds to the transaction documentation, and some folks like to keep more detailed records that the legal minimums.

    As Ron said above, the shop can ask for whatever documentation that they want. Follow his suggestion to talk w/ other FFL's in your area to see if their requirements better fit your preferences, but don't be surprised if you run across more folks that want a copy of the shipping FFL's license.

    However, through all of this remember that the person selling the gun does not have to be an FFL, but the person receiveing it does. Private citizens can ship directly to an FFL if that license holder accepts such shipments, and FFL's are not required to do so. It just costs the shipper more for handguns if they are not an FFL or working through an FFL.

    Lastly if the "lady" that told you the shop would not accept anymore shipments w/o an FFL is not the holder of the FFL you may want to talk to the person that actually holds the license to insure that her position is not based on her misunderstanding of the regulations. If she is the FFL holder then I guess your in the "market" for a new transfer agent.



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  • nmyers
    True, but...

    A dealer is required by federal regulations to enter all receipts/dispositions in his bound book. For either one, he needs to enter the FFL/C&R # or the name & address of the seller/buyer. He needs to be sure that he knows the identity of anyone from whom he receives a gun, because his records could be audited by BATFE. So, you can't blame any dealer who wants to be sure who has sent him a gun. Some nonlicensed senders don't include a complete name or address, so that leaves the dealer in a predicament.

    I think that it is reasonable to ask a nonlicensed seller to include with the gun a photocopy of his drivers license. That would provide the pawn shop with proof of identity that would stand up to an audit. I suggest that you ask if that would be acceptable; any reasonable dealer would agree to do so.

    If the pawn shop lady won't accept that, I guess you will have to find another dealer; most stupid dealers don't stay in business long. Heck, it's tough enough for a smart dealer to stay in business.

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  • p3skyking
    You as the buyer know where you sent your money. That said, an FFL from the seller is nice, but not required. The shipping label provides me with all the information I need to enter into my bound book. The paper trail begins anytime a weapon is transfered. Between you, the buyer, and your information on the seller is more than enough for the FBI/ATF to trace a weapon.

    Every FFL has the right to expound on the law within the law. If the request is unreasonable to you, find a different FFL.

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  • David Nunn
    The dealer simply can't legally do that. The dealer can only ship out of state to another FFL, and without that, he is stuck with it. He might refuse receipt, but he would have to do that without opening the box.

    I understand his dilemma. I have received guns for people, and find that the return address on the box is a Pack & Postal place, and there is no invoice, receipt, nothing in the box to identify the seller. All I need is a name and address. That is all your dealer needs. Make sure he gets it and he is covered.

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