Artilliary Luger
A Artilliary luger just happend to fall within my reach. On the receiver just aft of the barrel on right side , the proof marks are doubled, looks like n over a crown. My good neighbor said that that type of proof marking then (1917) indicates it was a Navy issue , probably to Auxiliary cruisers or Z Boats ! Im lost again, Help.
Wildbill and of course thanks to you brainey guys!
Wildbill and of course thanks to you brainey guys!
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I hate when that happens! Don't know. 0 -
Your neighbor is incorrect. The Artillery Models were used by the Army. Naval Lugers were used by the Navy. Artillery Lugers have 8 inch barrels with the rear sight on the barrel. Naval Lugers have a 6 inch barrel with the sight on the aft end of the toggle. An N does NOT denote Navy in German, an M does and stands for Marine.
Sounds like you still have a nice little Artillery.
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Goto http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/codes_full.html This website has a list of all ordnance codes for German weapons from WWII era. I was able to Identify A k98k karbiner,a cyq p38 and a hungarian 37m left to me by my grandfather from WWII.
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Skyking is correct. The Artillery has an 8" bbl. with a nine position adjustable sight at the rear of the barrel and intergral to it. It is actually called a 1914 Artillery but is stamped from 1914-1918. If your Luger is matching and has strong straw colors on some specific parts it could be worth up to $xxxxxx alone without the full rig.
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quote:Originally posted by Ballistic
Skyking is correct. The Artillery has an 8" bbl. with a nine position adjustable sight at the rear of the barrel and intergral to it. It is actually called a 1914 Artillery but is stamped from 1914-1918. If your Luger is matching and has strong straw colors on some specific parts it could be worth up to $xxxxxx alone without the full rig.
Go to www.lugerforum.com for an thorough understanding of luger pistols.
Ballistic,
Welcome. Haven't seen you post before. I am on Jan Still's site, but I had never seen this one. Good info. Thanks for posting.0 -
Wouldn't the German initial for Navy be "K" - Kriegsmarine? 0 -
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quote:Originally posted by rhmc24
Wouldn't the German initial for Navy be "K" - Kriegsmarine?
Close, but not Teutonic enough. Kriegsmarine loosely translates to War Sailors, War Navy, War Maritime. Leave off Krieg (war) and Marine means Navy which encompasses everything we call "Navy", personnel, ships, equipment, etc. As aside, Wehrmacht literaly means "War Makers" which we just call "army". Bear in mind, Kriegsmarine and Wehrmacht only became fashionable during the Nazi Tenure. The Crown M preceeded them and was retained as an acceptance mark.
The Crown M dates from the First World War, Weimar, and before. The Eagle M dates from the Nazi era. These are acceptance stamps only.
The proofing used standard German Fraktur stamps and later Waffenamts.
Clear as mud, right?0 -
Geman Artillary; As usual, you guys are fountains of information. Yes the pistol does have a 8 inch barrel. Yes ,the ladder sight is the 9 position . It also has the number 9 engraved on each side of the handles, which I was led to believe , meant a change from 7.65 MM to 9MM, apparently so our German friends would not get befuddled. Although, I guess they never made these babies in anything but 9 MM.
I have a little library of gun books. One of these is the Luger Pistol by Fred Datig and in there he says a double proof mark on right side indicates Navel Issue, and you are right, some of this stuff is as clear as Mud, especially when my brain cells are wearing out, smiles.
The gun is about 98 % blue , only showing some wear on holster areas, and not too much there. If any of you guys have Datigs book, turn to page 124, a picture of my Luger is there, identical. Thanks for the help and Info. You guys are great. Wildbill0 -
Bill,
If you will check the date of publication of Datig's book, you will see it was first issued in 1955, almost 50 years ago. Some of the information is not accurate as gun books by Datig, WHB Smith, and others, were just starting to appear. Once they made it across the pond to Europe, Information flooded out and corrected the published errors.
A more up to date reference would be;
Kenyon, LUGERS AT RANDOM
Still, IMPERIAL LUGERS, and WEIMAR LUGERS
Walther, THE LUGER STORY
Hogg, GERMAN HANDGUNS
Hope this helps.0
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