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Colt Dragoon???

dwr111
Oh all of you guys have been so helpful, I really apprecate it.

I believe this is a Colt Dragoon, but I cannot find any markings on this gun what so ever. For pictures, please click HERE:

Any help to identify this gun and aprox. Value would be very helpful.

Thanks,

Warren
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  • rhmc24
    Not a Colt, Not a Dragoon. Looking in Flayderman I found the one that looks most like it is the Hopkins & Allen Dictator, .36 caliber, Flayderman number 7A-033. Says about 1000 made late 1860s-70, value $350 good, $725 fine. Case and flask add to value. Assume it has no marks or you would have said so. Flayderman usually gives all the marks but does not give any for this piece.
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  • dwr111
    Nope, no marks what so ever.

    Thanks for the help, I will look at the Flayderman.

    Thanks again! [:)][:)]

    Warren
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  • v35
    I'd say Whitney 31 cal but having no markings, I'd say Belgian copy of .31 Colt.
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  • dwr111
    OK guy's thanks for the help, but I think I have identified this gun as a Manhattan Firearms gun, First Model. But the only picture of it I can find is the Second Model, which has the 6 shot cylinder. The first model has a five shot cylinder.
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  • captkirk3@dslextreme.com
    I believe You have the 1st Model Manhattan......

    Captain Kirk, Tech Staff
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  • v35
    The hammer profile looks more like a Whitney if it's a five shot but since it's completely unmarked, I'd say it's a Belgian Colt copy. In any event it's a copy of the model 1849 Colt pocket 31 cal.
    The Baby Dragoons had square backed trigger guards and all the percussion Colts had brass trigger guards.
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  • dwr111
    quote:Originally posted by rhmc24
    Not a Colt, Not a Dragoon. Looking in Flayderman I found the one that looks most like it is the Hopkins & Allen Dictator, .36 caliber, Flayderman number 7A-033. Says about 1000 made late 1860s-70, value $350 good, $725 fine. Case and flask add to value. Assume it has no marks or you would have said so. Flayderman usually gives all the marks but does not give any for this piece.


    Rh (or anyone), I'm having a little trouble finding a picture of the Dictator, do you know if there is anyplace on the net that pictures of these? I've talked to someone else who thinks it is a Dictator as well.

    Thanks
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  • captkirk3@dslextreme.com
    Pick Up a FLAYDERMAN's Guide to Antique Firearms...

    Captain Kirk, Tech Staff
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  • Hansenw
    Actually from the shape of the bottom of the frame it looks more like a Nepperhan Pocket Revolver than a Manhattan- it is almost certainly not a Manhattan. Take a look at this site for comparison. http://gmartin-auctions.com/feb03cat/lot.asp?lot=153&pictures=7
    I am a little doubtful about the area just behind the trigger guard. The Nepperhan appears to be slightly curved whereas yours looks to be straight. I think the European copy theory is the most probable.
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  • Hansenw
    There is a picture of a percussion Dictator on this page http://www.horstheld.com/0-makers-H.htm
    Note the screw way back on the left side of the frame unlike the revolver in question.
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  • Hansenw
    FYI here is a Manhattan Series 1 Pocket Model, Flayderman #5C007
    http://www.butterfields.com/areas/arms/7350A/detail/7350a-1297.htm
    Note the 10 cylinder stops. Also factory engraving appeared to be a standard Manhattan feature.
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  • captkirk3@dslextreme.com
    I still say it looks like a Manhattan.........

    Captain Kirk, Tech Staff
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