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jlgray70
What is the value of a good condition lc smith waterfowl special 32" 12 ga made in fulton ny?
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  • nord
    Could we be a bit more specific? Elcee's came in grades. You'll find that stamped on the watertable under the barrels. Then there's the matter of being hammered or hammerless, damascus or fluid steel, and overall condition to include the percentage of case colors remaining on the receiver.

    Tell us that and we'll go from there.

    Nord
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  • jlgray70
    It is hammerless with manual injectors in overall good condition. It is a wild fowl with s/n R 198373 field grade
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  • nord
    So... We're talking a Marlin gun here?

    If so, there's no particular premium associated with the gun. It's a field grade Smith/Marlin. You don't say anything to really indicate exact condition, so my answer to the value question is to take off about 35% of the value compared to a similar Hunter gun.

    Nord
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  • jlgray70
    It doesn't say it is a marlin it says it is a lc smith. Sorry I'm not very knowlegable on these guns.

    quote:Originally posted by nord
    So... We're talking a Marlin gun here?

    If so, there's no particular premium associated with the gun. It's a field grade Smith/Marlin. You don't say anything to really indicate exact condition, so my answer to the value question is to take off about 35% of the value compared to a similar Hunter gun.

    Nord
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  • nord
    Elcee's came in three distinct flavors... Maybe four, depending on how you count.

    First was the Baker/LC. Next was the Syracuse LC, but that wasn't really different from the first. Hunter Arms took up the next run of production in Fulton, NY. Each and every Hunter gun was so marked. Last was the Marlin/LC for a couple of years in the early 50's and then again in the late 60's.

    Your serial indicates a non-Hunter gun. That would almost certainly make it a Marlin. Don't get me wrong, these are nice guns. It's just that they aren't sought after like the "real" Elcee's.

    As to the markings on the Marlin products, I can't remember exactly how they were stamped. I'm just going by what's not there and what I know should be for a "real" Smith.

    I hope this has been of some small help. Further, please understand that Marlin LC's are top rate guns. It's just that collectors are a strange lot and the Marlin product gets about the same amount of respect that the Remington and Savage versions of the Browning A-5 get.


    Nord
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  • laxcoach
    To elaborate further on Nord's statements, your gun appears to have been made in 1942, which would make it a Hunter Arms piece, as the L.C.Smith Gun Co.( a subsidiary of Marlin) did not take over production until 1945. A question--- what is (if anything) stamped on the top of the left barrel?
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  • nord
    Serial should be F xxxx for the 1941/2 date. "R" is Marlin as far as I know, but I'm open to learn.

    And... HUNTER ARMS will be embossed on the 40's production guns right on up to the end of Hunter production.

    Nord
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  • jlm1943
    Starting in 1917, serial numbers of all types, gauges, and grades are intermixed. Adding to the confusion is that some pre-1913 ejector guns have an "E" at the end of the number, while others do not. Others have the suffix "R" (on both regular and featherweight frames). Many other inconsistencies occur. Serial numbers for the L.C. Smith Gun Company (1946-50) started with FWS1 and ended with FWS56,800. Serial numbers for the period of 1946 through 1950 include Hunter and Fulton shotguns. Serial numbers of guns produced by the Marlin Firearms Company (1968-71) had a prefix of FWM.
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  • laxcoach
    None of the Wild Fowl guns were made on featherweight frames---all were "R" frame guns with a reinforced splinter.
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