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Would like to identify this WW II Single Shot Rifle.It has no Rifleing.It is .270 bore Diam.
I cannot find it in my small Library of Gun Books.Only No. on it are a #9 on receiver and on the Bolt.
1-Powder
2-Patch
3-Ball
4-Remove the Rod
5-Do Not Forget the Cap.
I cannot find it in my small Library of Gun Books.Only No. on it are a #9 on receiver and on the Bolt.
1-Powder
2-Patch
3-Ball
4-Remove the Rod
5-Do Not Forget the Cap.
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s.gun, the more I look at the picture the more it looks like a jap type 38 rifle that has been worked on by someone. The grooves on each side of the top of the receiver looks like the grooves for the dust cover of the 38. Also the safety/bolt lock on the rear of the bolt probably pushes in and rotates to put it on safe. The bolt handle also says type 38 with it elongated bolt knob. Ye, that would be my guess without being able to examine it up close. The .270 bore could well be a 6.5mm(.264 dia.) that is about worn out. I never heard of one that was single shot though. Could have been changed from a magazine to singleshot--that not all that hard to do. 0 -
Yep its a jap, either a type38 or a type 99, occording to your obre size it should be a type 38. 6.5mm
mag44pistol0 -
If you would post a photograph of the Kanji, I would positively identify as to the model and maker.
I am 99% certain it is a Japanese training rifle for drill or blanks only. DO NOT LOAD WITH LIVE AMMO UNTIL IT HAS BEEN ACCERTAINED.0 -
I agree...Its Jap...
Captain Kirk, Tech Staff0 -
My reference notes that the Japanese made smoth-bored versions of the Type 38 rifle to train cadets.
They had cast receivers and one-piece stocks. Needless to say they were only made to be used with blank ammo. Supposedly they were marked on the receiver or butt in Japanese ideographs, to this effect.
As it's been almost 60 years since the end of the war the ideographs might have become illegible.0 -
I have owned several cadet and training Arisakas over the years.I believe yours is the cadet model since there are gas relief cuts on the top of the receiver. If memory serves, the trainers had no internal trigger mechanism, and the bolts had no firing pins.The receivers were cast, and had no gas relief. Post pics of the marks on the receiver, and I'll bet Sky can identify.
Love them Pre-64's!!!!-Bob0 -
It's a Jap trainer and I wouldn't trust it with regular ammo. Neat conversation piece though.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!0 -
Isn't this a type 30 Arisaka trainer!?? The type 38 and 99 were war production, issued to the front line troops, in the 2 basic round the Japanese used (6.5 & 7.7) The type 30 were used as trainers, they were assembled in varies stages of operation (some non-firing, some single shot, smooth bore). That's all I know, Good Luck! ...Mark
"FEAR the Goverment, that fears your ARMS"0 -
It does have a Firing Pin.The Receiver is machined from one piece and you do push in on the rear of the Bolt and then turn it maybe 15 or 20 degrees to engage the safety.
If I knew what the Kanji is I will try to post a Pic.Tomorrow.
Sure is an Ugly Gun,isn't it.
It was brought home from Europe. 1944
1-Powder
2-Patch
3-Ball
4-Remove the Rod
5-Do Not Forget the Cap.0 -
quote:Originally posted by s.gun
It does have a Firing Pin.The Receiver is machined from one piece and you do push in on the rear of the Bolt and then turn it maybe 15 or 20 degrees to engage the safety.
If I knew what the Kanji is I will try to post a Pic.Tomorrow.
Sure is an Ugly Gun,isn't it.
It was brought home from Europe. 1944
s.Gun.
Kanji is Japanese pictographs. Their writing. On the receiver should be some type of markings. Usually a logo of the company that made it, or else the Kanji for a Type 38. Easy way to determine Type by people who don't read Japanese (which I don't) is that the Type 38 will have it's markings fore and aft with the center word being 3 horizonal lines (number 3)
The Type 99's markings are from port to starboard with 2 of the markings looking like cursive "R's"
It is possible that this was a service rifle at one time that was converted to training use, but if so, the mag well would be there and functional (even some trainers have functioning mags for the blank cartridges).
My first bet would be that with no mag well (single shot?), it started life as a trainer.
11echo.. Type 30's are known as the "Hook Safety" by the prominent finger hook on the after end of the bolt. I do have a hook safety trainer, so you are correct that they did make them.
s.gun.. I've learned to never say never concerning firearms, but it is highly unlikely that this Pacific Theater souvenir came from Europe.0 -
I've seen some uglier than that though!
Believe nothing that you hear and only one half of what you see!!
I'm Just One Man Talking!0 -
Sky; I'm certain my dad acquired it in Europe.He Traveled 4 or 5 Countys while there.Sent home a Dozen 98 Mausers and a Austrian made Revolver along with this gun.
1-Powder
2-Patch
3-Ball
4-Remove the Rod
5-Do Not Forget the Cap.0 -
GUARANTEED: This is a Japanese type 38. Period!. However, if the bore has been reamed to smooth, and the magazine deactivated, then it was one (of many) that was reworked as a trainer. Not at all unusual.
Have fun, be careful!
Morty0 -
That is a Japanese Arisaka. 0
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