Favorite Bore Cleaner
Just wondering what you all clean with. Right now I'm favoring something rather unconventional. First I dip a brush in GI bore cleaner- the milky stuff- and scrub the bore about 4 times. Then two patches with the same cleaner. Then I stick the muzzle in boiling soapy water and using a tight patch, work back and forth about a dozen times, using siphon action to fill and empty the bore repeatedly. The bore is then so hot that one patch dries it fine, though I do run a few dry patches through to be sure. Then oil it and am done. It is cheap, and it gets the job done surprisingly fast, with excellant results and no smelly chemicals. Plus it works well on corrosive primers- the GI cleaner and soapy water is a double whammy.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conference in 1899.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conference in 1899.
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I would like to know what you guys think is the best bore cleaner. I am using Sweets 7.62 for copper and Butches for everything else. I think they do a good job, just like to know if there is something better out there. Also, has anybody heard of or tried "Blue Wonder" bore cleaner? 0 -
Steve, you will find many partisans of Blue Wonder here, including myself. Some of the company officers are members and have provided samples of various of their products for "beta testing." Several folks, again including myself, have been extraordinarily happy with this line. I'm not throwing out my bottles of Butch's and Sweets, but once they are empty, I won't be buying more. I always finish with the Blue Wonder (before oiling - a must!) and usually - not always - will remove a little bit more fouling when I do. IMHO, it's the best product on the market.
NOTE: jonk makes a good point (as usual) . . . if you are shooting corrosive primed military ammo, then - by all means!! - use the GI bore cleaner. It works well in its own right, and nothing on the market removes the corrosive salt residues better. Otherwise, JMHO, I'll put the Blue Wonder up against anything out there. And you can always finish up with BW to *really* scrub the bore. The Blue Wonder does such a complete cleaning job you really need to oil the bore soon after cleaning - it leaves *nothing* between the bare metal and the ambient humidity of the air. My only complaint is that it doesn't smell like Hoppe's #9!
It makes cleaning fast and easy. I've picked up three firearms over the past few years which looked like H3LL - two with sewer pipe bores, the other a pretty bright orange on the outside, all for a fraction of their normal FMV because of their apparent condition. Look at them today, and one would not recognize them. Blue Wonder also does an amazing job of removing rust and Nouvum (the company) makes a cold blue light years better than the other products I've tried. Their prices are not discount, but then, neither are the results. One of the very few product lines, especially in the firearms arena, where the products are *at least* as good as the maker's claims. No, I don't have stock in the company, but I want a piece of the IPO if they ever go public!
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain) ". . . And DemoCraps" (me)0 -
not much else to add ... I have a shelf full of products, and many of them are good, but not in the same class as Blue Wonder
PS- They've never gave me anything, but since discovering their products I've gave them a lot of cash.
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!0 -
I have never tried blue wonder. It is rather pricey. I would rather spend my money on guns than on cleaning supplies. I use surplus GI bore cleaner, $5 a quart. May not be the best but is fine for powder/lead fouling, just takes a bit more time... then finish up with one patch of Shooter's choice copper cleaner, dry, and oil... never had a problem.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf0 -
Just so no one gets the wrong ideas.... Iconoclast is right in that CERTAIN surplus cleaners are fine for corrosive ammo, ie WW2-Korean vintage. I do use this for corrosive cleaning in the field, but at home like a pint of boiling water to be sure. At any rate, this cleaner is NOT the best for powder/metal fouling, it just removes anything that will mess up your gun. It comes in green cans and there seems to be two varieties; milky white stuff for corrosive, and later dark brown stuff for regular ammo, I think it started being made in the 60s.
The other GI surplus is current production, comes in a white can, similar to Hoppes in smell and consistency but a little different somehow. This is better for everyday cleaning but to my knowledge DOES NOT neutralize any corrosive agents, but is a decent, if not spectacular all round bore cleaner.
In any event, I have used both on regular guns no problem, and the first with surplus, no problem.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf0 -
One more dog and pony story. I have a .30 Luger that had a dark bore. Tried several bore cleaners and all I got was clean patches that left the dark bore. Used Blue Wonder and it took about six patches to get one out clean. The bore is now bright. Using on other bores have not been that spectacular but the one use on the Luger was worth the price. 0 -
In ranking gun cleaning products I rank Blue Wonder top to bottom. Second choice is Butch's Bore Shine.
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I prefer Shooters Choice for getting those stubborn areas...
"In God We Trust........All Others Go Thru NCIC"0 -
I also use Blue Wonder on older guns. I also run a full patch of Hoppes before oiling 'cause a gun just don't shoot right if it don't smell right[8D][8D][8D]
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dark bores are powder fouled,.....so a good powder solvent is the answer. Blue wonder does a stupendous job on powder and a good job on copper. BUT,..the fastest copper cleaner on the planet is sweets. I use Blue wonder for the initial cleaner for the powder fouling layer,...then I go to sweets for the hard forged copper. It is a sad fact of life that the only way to aggressively clean copper is to use an ammonia based cleaner,..and sweets is the strongest one available.
Blue wonder first,..then sweets,..then finish with kroil to protect the bore metal. Let the gun sit with kroil for 1-2 days.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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I really like Flitz, it is great and you can use it on the outside of the gun as well.
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