Fully Automatic Firearms
I could search through the forums and read until I got my answer, but thought I'd try the experts for speed and accuracy.
What are the current laws for civilians owning fully automatic firearms? Pennsylvania in particular? I don't see any for sale on gunbroker; but not sure if it's because they aren't available or if its because the ban completely elimated the sale and posssession.
Anyone?
woot
What are the current laws for civilians owning fully automatic firearms? Pennsylvania in particular? I don't see any for sale on gunbroker; but not sure if it's because they aren't available or if its because the ban completely elimated the sale and posssession.
Anyone?
woot
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I belive you must buy a special FFL class 3 license to own one.
I think they cost a load.
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Welcome to GBYou purchase a Class 3 (full auto) wepon from a Class 3 dealer. You have to pass a back ground check. You local law enforcment must sign off on the purchase and you must purchase a full auto stamp from the feds. In purchasing a full auto you give the feds permission to enter your home 24 X 7 to verify it is there. There are Class 3/ Full Auto weapons for sale her on GB. Piece of Cake. [8D]
Greg
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Welcome to the forum. You must be looking in the wrong place on GB for full autos. Check the class 3 section. Class 3 weapons are legal in most areas. If you can legally own a gun, you in most cases can own a full auto. The class 3 requires a federal permit but state and local restrictions will apply. The permit (actually a postage stamp on your form) costs a one time $200. and is good for that piece only. The transfer will have to be done by a PA class 3 dealer and he will have the forms for you and your local sheriff to fill out. Count on a few months for federal approval before you can actually pick up the gun.
Although I have a few, class 3 pieces are not very practical. They are expensive plus where are you going to shoot them?
Check out GB. Think about it. Repost and you will receive advice from guys with more knowledge than I.
cbxjeff<P>It's too late for me, save yourself. <br>0 -
A friend of mine went through this process (read: hell) a while back. It took almost a year and a half for his paperwork to go through. He was also required to buy a safe to put it in, but that may be a local thing. BATF lost his paperwork twice and then the form changed so he had to fill it out AGAIN. Bottom line is BATF does not want anyone to have these so they make it hell to get. Get ready to spend a couple grand at least. Like cbxjeff said they're not very practical. They are fun and if you have the disposable cash and patience, I say go for it.
-Marcus0 -
gunbroker.com does have fully automatic guns in its listings, click modern firearms, they are listed as class III firearms. 0 -
In Connecticut, full auto ONLY weapons are legal. Those having selector ability as semi auto or three shot burst along WITH full auto are not legal. 0 -
That really sucks for you guys in CN 38,
I spent an extra $1000. for that 3 shot feature. It was worth it. I don't know of any modern piece that shoots ONLY full auto. Boy am I going to hear from some members more knowledgable than me!
cbxjeff<P>It's too late for me, save yourself. <br>0 -
Well as a matter of fact Jeff, right off the top of my head I can name one; the Colt LMG (RO-750) which is the heavy barreled version of the M16A2 intended to be used as a squad automatic and firing full auto only from an open bolt. I posted a photo of just such a weapon form my own collection a few weeks ago on the general discussion forum, but fitted with a restricted semiauto Colt lower. Since these Colt RO-750's were introduced in early 1986 there are a few OEM examples in private hands. It was great to have had the chance to meet with you and your son in Las Vegas last week (which is the real reason why I am posting this).
Mark T. Christian0 -
WOW, this thread is full of incorrect information, with a little correct info added for good measure. If you want the correct info reguarding NFA weapons check here. www.titleii.com
You can also find all of the full auto weapons you'll ever be able to afford at www.sturmgewehr.com as well as here......
TD0 -
Wow. Great post tree. Now if you could add something to direct us dumb as*es to the holy grail please do. Or perhaps you could just put into your own words just where we fell off the path of truth. I realize this may be somewhat more difficult than the old post and attach thing.
cbxjeff<P>It's too late for me, save yourself. <br>0 -
Jeff, I'm happy that you thought my post was great. I'll only point out the problems in your post.
1.Quote "The class 3 requires a federal permit but state and local restrictions will apply." Problem: It's not a permit of any kind.
2. Quote "The transfer will have to be done by a PA class 3 dealer and he will have the forms for you and your local sheriff to fill out." Problem 1. The form 4 can be signed by several other people other than the local sheriff. This isn't incorrect, but it's an incomplete answer for somebody that doesn't know anything about the process. 2. The transfer doesn't have to go throught a class III PA dealer if it's a local weapon. It can go form 4 to from 4 and a dealer doesn't need to be involved.
Here is a very simple outline of the transfer process. http://www.50caliber.net/~jbell/td.txt
TD0 -
You can legally build your own fully automatic firearm as the legislation which banned their manufacture and sale only affected interstate commerce.
Look up Stewart-vs-US, a 9th Circus Court ruling which declared a felon who made his own fully automatic firearms was legally in possession of those firearms. He got 5 years in prison for possessing firearms with serial numbers that he did not manufacture and illegally procured.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2854
You don't think AR-15 80% receivers are selling for $200 on fleabay for paperweights do you?
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the link to the process above is to my webspace, and I wrote it.
Its vastly simplified, and each state may have additional requirements to own NFA firearms and devices, including state registration of same.
I live in PA, and own NFA firearms, including MGs, suppressors, SBRs and an AOW.
if anybody has any questions regarding the topic, and on teh process in PA, feel free to send me an email at m10a1@yahoo.com
I'm in Southeast PA.
Regarding the "Stewart" ruling on making your own MG, be aware that this ruling is binding ONLY on the 9th circuit at this time.
The ruling is NOT binding in any other circuit, until each circuit has acknowledged it, and recognized it.
Also be aware that the ATF has made it known, if you ask, that "Stewart Ruling Form 1s" will NOT be approved until ALL APPEALS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED in that case.
i got this directly from my ATF Examiner.
And further, be aware that a Stewart Ruling MG will NEVER be transferrable, or can be taken out of state lines, or can be sold to anyone, its for personal use. any of the above will put the NFA item into interstate commerce where the Feds will dispute it.
Plus, you cant just mill and drill an existing AR15 to make a m16, or modify an existing firearm, its got to ne made from'scratch" and the case spent a great amount of time putting forth the info on how UNIQUE the mgs he made were.
Don't pin our hopes on this, I desperately want this to work too, but I know, and everyone else does too, that the .gov WILL fight this.
its an uphill battle.
good luck, and fight for your rights!!!0 -
Cool Jay !! What a great service you have provided!
God Bless America and...
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NEVER, EVER Forget 9110 -
Thanks Mr Wilson, I tried not to come off too heavy handed on the portion about peoples ignorance, so i apologise to those who think i did.
There's a LOT of bad info out there that a lot of folks promulgate as fact, and I like to nip it in the bud if I can[:D]
buying MGs and other devices is expensive, but darn fun...sort of like moving to the "expert level" of gun collecting..LOL!
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give a drop by if you have interest....oh, and buy one of these from Serbu Firearms:0
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