One More CZ Question (CZ83)
Recently economic conditions forced me to sell my wife's brand new Walther PPK/S .380 auto (I sold one of my toys too). I am thinking that this coming summer I might be able to buy another one. But, they aren't cheap. Sooooooooo, I started looking at similar models. I read up on the Bersa which is way cheaper than a new Smith made Walther (but a friend warns you gets whats you pay for) and I liked the Beretta Cheetah but it is both expensive and not as small as I prefer. Then I came across the CZ 83 .380 auto nickel for under $400. Not only that, it has the safeties I like (I thought of the Kahr in MK9 but I am not sure that this is a good idea for her). Anyone have any comments on the CZ 83 (special order in Makarov too)?
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THey are nice guns too, but when the PPK/s is only about $425-450, and is really what you want???????
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For richbug: Good question. I went to a local store and they were asking $560 for PPK/S's. Is that a bit high? I have an acquaintance who will probably sell it to me for his cost, no mark up at all. What do you think that will run? 0 -
The guy I deal with usually has a new one in the case in stainless for $459 and he usually gives me a %10 discount. So I am sure I could buy it for 425. Probably cost him no more than $400.
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I have a CZ83 in 9 MM Makarov. It's a lot bigger and thicker than your former Walther. The frame is steel where a similar in size Beretta is aluminum. Great trigger, sights, and controllability. The only thing I really wasn't too pleased about is the magazines. They are supposed to hold 10 rounds, but I think they put the same magazines out for both the Makarov and the .380 versions. Neither of my mags will take 10 rounds of Makarov ammo as it's thicker than .380. It's a nice gun, but big and heavy for a 9 + 1 auto in a caliber that gives less power than the 9mm parabellum. If I was looking for a concealed carry piece with less power than a 9 parabellum, I would either go for a Bulgarian Makarov on the inexpensive side or try and find a decent deal on the SIG 232 in .380 on the high end.
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For Richbug! Thanks, I really appreciate your post. I really hated to sell the pistol. I didn't want to let it go. I sold it to a friend and he is never letting it go. Soooooooo, if I could get one for the price you listed, I'd be able to live with this. Again, thanks, I am saving now. 0 -
For CFPYTHON: That is very valuable information. One of the frustrations I have is that so few shops around here (Kansas City) carry Kahrs let alone CZ's and all that. So I take out my tape measure and compare them with my Manurhin .380 to get some idea of size. I had a feeling that the CZ 83 was bigger than I was looking for. But, again, uless I can see and hold one, its hard to tell. But your information said exactly what I suspected.
I have a FEG PA-63. It uses the same magazines for the .380 and the Makarov. I noticed that my magazines will not work with the largest Makarov rounds. Anything up to 109 grains and that is it. The larger Makarov rounds don't work at all. You may be experiencing the same problem. The companies use the same magazines for both the 9x17 and 9x18 and some rounds cause problems because of this. No one tells us this of course.
Do you believe the .380 is a fair substitute for self defense (really close ranges, my wife with the gun or me on the hiking trails?)0 -
NOTPARS; I've carried a .380 before for self protection (Colt Gov't Model). It's better than nothing, but I was definitely a little uncomfortable with that level of power. Being down in Fla. one doesn't wear a jacket much, the Colt fit in a pocket, so I always had it. I've learned to leave a shirt untucked and carry a Glock .40 or Walther P99 in my waistband whenever I can. Gives me a little more sense of security. I'm sure if you or your wife hit what you're aiming at the .380 would be alright. I would not want to get shot with one.
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For CFPYTHON: Thanks. that information helps. I do a lot of hiking here in Missouri and it gets hot and humid in the summer. I can stand a T-shirt and shorts which makes it hard to conceal a firearm out in the woods. In addition, even though I do most of my hiking in the winter, I have found a Ruger SP 101 with speed loaders can get a bit heavy when you have a bad back (I do) and are going up and down lots of hilss...lots. So, I was also looking for something smaller but with a bigger caliber. What do you think of the Kahrs, say the MK40, their micro-40 in stainless. I only saw one once. It was no bigger than a Walther. Looked as if it would fly out of your hands if you shot it. But, again, this was for summer. 0 -
Haven't ever handled a Kahr, though I've heard they're nice. When I want to carry light weight I'm very content with either a Colt Agent or a S&W Model 37. Both are .38's on an aluminum frame. I load them with Federal 125 gr. Nyclad hollow points at standard velocity so as not to put wear and tear on the frames. Great reliable guns. The Agent is currently what I carry on my ankle as a backup gun at work. Never even know it's there.
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