10mm v/s .45ACP
I currently own a taurus 945SS .45. I am looking to go with another gun to conceal/carry and carry as a back-up weapon while hunting. I have been leaning towards a revolver to gain the stopping power I need in a hunting situation. Someone recently mentioned to me that I should consider the 10mm. I have researched the glock 20 and 29. These are both 10mm guns with the 29 being a sub-compact. I have two questions really. Is the 10mm really a step up from my .45? Will it be enough to hunt game with if I need to? Is the velocity much different in a subcompact over a full frame. I would like to keep it small enough to conceal well but still be viable to use as a dependable side arm in a wilderness environment. Thanks.
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bambihunter will jump all over this one. But before he does let me add my 2 cents. In a nut shell yes the 10mm is balisticly better for what you have in mind. I like the S&W 1076 and 1066 both out of production but can still be found at a reasonable price. I also like the EAA withness full size and compact in 10mm. They are very reliable and the cost is very reasonable. I put the 10mm power some where in between the .357mag and the .41mag. Wheel guns like the 431mag and the 44mag would work well in the field. As for CCW they arwe just a little too big for my taste. PS welcome to GB
Greg
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This is a general discussion topic so don't be surprised if it gets moved. BTW, 10mm are for sissys. stir,stir[:0]
Yes the 10mm is a step above the .45acp. It approaches the .357 mag. in power. To get the most out of this round you need the longer barrel pistol. Game? Well not sure on that one. There are better rounds out there for game. The 41 mag and 44 mag come to mind.
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Correcto on Bambihunter jumping all over this.
I'd consider a .44 mag. with a 4" barrel. The large grip you'd need to control the gun would be more difficult to conceal than the barrel/frame/etc, but in the back-country, that .44 will make a heck of a hole in 'most anything you stumble across.
Also, the S&W in 10mm:
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I debated a revolver in a .44 mag. There are several reasons I have leaned away from it. It has been difficult for me to find a 44 mag with grips small enough for me to grasp comfortably. I can hold the S&W 629 with no problem. I have yet to try the Taurus model 44 since there are none around here. I also have heard many people state that the recoil of the 44 mag makes it very difficult to shoot numerous times with consistency. This is why the 10mm was suggested to me. Also, is the 10mm above of below the .357mag power wise? Any thoughts on any of this? 0 -
Hunting and concealed carry don't generally interchange well because to have a rdvolver or pistol that is good at one detracts from the other.
Example: Carry piece should not be overly heavy and present a slim, compact profile that does not easily pattern. That means the longer barrel with better sight radius is not available for hunting. And there is the matter of sights, good carry pieces typically will not have precision sights because of the possibility of snagging when trying to draw the weapon. Conversely, carry or "fightin" sights are not good for hunting.
From the example above much if not all would also apply to a firearm you would want to carry in the woods as a backup, since you would more than likely want the gun in an external holster, and prefer the better sights and barrel length.
To the question of 10mm it's a good cartridge, deending on load and bullet it can pretty well keep up with a 41mag, but it falls short of the 44mag.
If you are not going to use the handgun as a primary hunting piece a carry piece in 10mm can suffice as a backup, just get an open carry holster ... not my first choice, but then I have a number of options open to me.
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Thanks for filling in for me while I was away guys! [:D]
Everybody has given good advice, and contender also has it right that a CCW gun is not the best hunting gun. However, it is possible to get extended barrels for some guns such as the Glock 20 and 29 that will give it a little more velocity but the sight radius will still be short and that is often what makes pistols inaccurate, not the length of the barrel.
The 10mm has more energy and velocity at 100 yards than the .45 does at the muzzle!
You asked about the .357 mag vs. the 10mm. They are very similar in most respects, if you look at standard loading. If you handload them both they can both be much hotter than they are off the shelf, but I'd give a slight edge to the 10mm. There's some new factory 10mm ammo this is loaded to the original Norma specs which is hot. Double-tap ammo offers this load:
135gr. Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point.
Ballistics : 1600fps/ 767 ft./lbs. from a Glock 20
A few other things I should mention, I hunt in Kansas and they have odd rules as to what's legal and what's not for hunting deer. They go by cartridge length instead of by foot-lbs or some other worthy test. The .357 is legal but the ballistic equal or superior 10mm is not because it is under the minimum length.
If you are wanting to use this as a hunting arm, there are CCU's (carbine conversion unit) that will allow you to switch your pistol into a carbine by swapping barrels and attaching a shoulder stock.
The last thing is remember the 10mm is slightly longer than the .45 and thus most grips will be slightly longer to accomodate it. If you have small hands and have a problem with some revolvers, you might have a problem with 10mm auto's as well. I'd sure suggest going to a range or hooking up with someone who has a 10mm and giving it a whirl. In a carryable auto, there's nothing that comes close to the 10mm!
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I was wondering when you were going to jump into this thread bambihunter. We need more 10mm users in the community. [8D]
Greg
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would there be a noticeable difference in velocities/stopping power between the glock 20 and the sub-compact 29? I understand the accuracy may be a factor but this is going to be more of a ccw than a hunting weapon. In the wilderness it would most likely be used for self-defense/primary gun malfunction. Thanks 0 -
The 29 is a CCW weapon. The 20 is not. OK if you are 300 pounds and wear alot of cloths the 20 could be considered a CCW. As for stoping power between the two if we are talking human type animals the 29 will do the job. My 2 cents. [8D]
Greg
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You'll be fine either way. Statistics show that more than 9 out 10 criminals don't want to be shot by either caliber[:D]
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