What is it ? Mauser of some type
A friend of my dads stopped by today to ask me what he bought. He said he went to the local gun shop to buy some shell but he wasn't sure what cal. it was. The guy old guy he bought if from told him it was 8mm. He took the gun into the shop and they said it was 8mm and offer to buy the gun for $500. Then he showed it to one of his hunting buddies and told him he was going to put a scope on it and use it for hunting. His buddy told him not to due that it would ruin the value and he would give him $1000. Here's where I come in. He stopped at my house and asked if he know what he bought. He told me, he bought it from an old guy that he know for $300. He said that he was going to hunt with the gun, now he thinks that he may have something worth money. The gun is built on a mauser action has double set triggers light scroll engraving. Solid rib barrel with a 2 leaf sight. Front sling mount is on the barrel, but is not a band. Where the barrel screws into the action is stamped Krupp-Stahl. The bolt is case colored, the floor plate has a lever on it, I'm assuming that is to open the floor plate. The only markings I see on the action is on the left front. Crown followed by st.m.g under that it looks to be TT or II followed by 14.6gr (I think). The serial number i think is 0883 unless this is not the complete serial number. I Think I seen that on the bolt, some of the other smaller parts I seen were marked 83. I seen no serial number on the receiver or makers name. I'm assuming it's under the stock. I asked to take it off, however he didn't want to mess with it. Anybody have any thoughts on the gun, as to who might have made the gun.
UPDATE I DID SOME CHECKING ON THE AUCTIONS, auction number 15419843 looks very much in the same style except this one is a lot more fancy. My dads friends doesn't have the silver and gold washed parts and not near as much engraving and it's not drill and tapped for mounts. His also has the normal style bolt handle. The stocks are the same except his has more checkering on the fore arm. His butt is also black, however it doesn't appear to be plastic it looks like horn. His barrel is also only octagon out to the end of the stock then it turns round. The rib looks the same as well as the sights.
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UPDATE I DID SOME CHECKING ON THE AUCTIONS, auction number 15419843 looks very much in the same style except this one is a lot more fancy. My dads friends doesn't have the silver and gold washed parts and not near as much engraving and it's not drill and tapped for mounts. His also has the normal style bolt handle. The stocks are the same except his has more checkering on the fore arm. His butt is also black, however it doesn't appear to be plastic it looks like horn. His barrel is also only octagon out to the end of the stock then it turns round. The rib looks the same as well as the sights.
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The proof marks you have given,
"Crown followed by st.m.g under that it looks to be TT or II followed by 14.6gr",
APPEAR? to be the German smokeless proofs, for firearms with rifled barrels, that was in use prior to 1912.
"st. m. g.", denotes ""steel jacketed bullet"
"14.6gr", is the weight of the bullet in Grams.
Please advise your friend to take it to either a KNOWLEDGEABLE collector or dealer for a hands-on appraisal. It MIGHT? be worth a substantial amount of money, depending greatly on who made it, and/or if it is still in factory original condition.
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Tell him NOT to alter it in any way. It needs to be taken to a knowlegable Mauser expert who can look it over. It sounds like "guild gun": one of a group of small arms made by various little shops in Germany prior to WW-I and in some cases up to just prior to WW-2. None are junk, but some are more valuable than others. It needs to be thoroughly checked over and in no case should be altered in any event.
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Originally posted by jakelin
Tell him NOT to alter it in any way. It needs to be taken to a knowlegable Mauser expert who can look it over. It sounds like "guild gun": one of a group of small arms made by various little shops in Germany prior to WW-I and in some cases up to just prior to WW-2. None are junk, but some are more valuable than others. It needs to be thoroughly checked over and in no case should be altered in any event.
PS: One thing to be careful of in these old rifles is to see if it is "I" bore or "S" bore. The "I" bore is .318", while the "S" bore is larger diameter (about .323") which the Germans went to when they adopted the spitzer form bullet. American "8mm Mauser" ammo is loaded very mild and is usually safe in either one, but some European loads are specific to either gun and may not be (usually stated on the box as for which gun).
Exercise caution in other words.
John0
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