Bumper fireing/ Bump fire
What exactly is this and can and how do you do it with an SKS.
Larry
Larry
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To "Bump fire" is to Rapid fire,I Think.
"Now Go Home and Get your Fu**** Shine Box!"0 -
It is a "learned" technique for a semi auto gun. You hold your trigger finger straight in the trigger guard such as having the gun at your hip looping your thumb over the stock to keep it from flying away during recoil. You then use your other hand to hold the forearm and push the gun straight away from you causing the trigger to be pulled by your stiff trigger finger. Recoil will "bounce" the gun back after it fires allowing the trigger to re-cock and the pressure from your other hand pushing the gun away will cause it to fire again, and again, and again,......... if you do it right. It takes practice and a lot of ammo to do this. There is little control and no "shot placement" because you are holding the gun low at your side. Now you might have a 75 or 100 round drum and you might be able to "spray" something out there using this technique, but it really isn't practical for anything except burning up ammo and maybe impressing some poor devil that came with you to see "your Poor Man's Auto!"
Guns like an UZI with a "grip safety" won't do this. The best gun for this, (my opinion) is one of the AK variants. When you start doing this, I recommend a 5 round magazine or a 10 round with 4 or 5 rounds in it. You want to get used to holding it and seeing it want to "climb" up and over your head........could be a serious problem if it got away from you somehow...... Good Luck and take plenty of ammo.
I Miss The World I Grew Up In!0 -
"such as having the gun at your hip looping your thumb over the stock to keep it from flying away during recoil"
I have had much better luck letting the rear of the gun float completely free, with no contact on the back of the gun outside of the rigid trigger finger. Never had one get away due to recoil doing this. My recommendation is to hold the rear of the gun completely away from the body and make sure it doesn't touch the hip, and the trigger hand doesn't touch anything except the trigger finger is on the trigger. Remember this, the trigger finger is little more than a stick held against the trigger, it is rigid. Push the gun away from you with the other hand.
I have done this with AK, AR, M11/9, BM59, Ruger Mini 14/30, even a Tec-22 Scorpion pistol. I have seen friends do it with all sorts of their weapons, including FAL/FN and H&K 91 style rifles. It doesn't work on every single firearm without adjustment or modifying the technique. I have seen videos of guys doing it with 1911 .45 automatics, M1 Garands, and 12 gauge shotguns. You just have to modify the technique a bit. For example, on the Tec-22, use CCI ammo and push the gun forward by holding the magazine with the left hand. On most other handguns, you use the left thumb wrapped around the front of the trigger guard to push the gun away. Again, remember the trigger finger hand is absolutely solid, as is the finger. You could grab a stick with your fist and make it act like the trigger finger.
I know of guys that have used strings on a lanyard around their neck, with one end tied to the trigger. Pull the string tight, and just push the gun away from you. MAKE SURE THE REAR OF THE GUN FLOAATS AS FREE AS POSSIBLE for best result.
You will unload 30 round mags in about 2 seconds. You will never notice any "bump" or "bounce" when this happens. It happens too fast.
I recommend you have three or four semi-rifles available to learn this and adjust your technique to suit the rifle (or handgun). The trigger devices that press forward against the trigger are based on this principle, and can actually help on certain weapons. Of course, a rubber band might be just as good. Wrapping a rubber band around the front of the trigger guard, and back around the trigger will have about the same results as the rapid fire devices.
Your left hand (for right handed shooters) should give all the control you need to keep it in the general direction, if anything, the tendency is for the gun to go down during the firing, due to the pressure from the left hand.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.0 -
Boeboe explained the best technique to use universaly. Whenever you attempt bumpfiring remember SAFETY FIRST: don't shoot yourself or your buddies and make sure you have a proper backstop for muzzel climb and do not try this unless you have done careful planning less you increase your risks.
If you do point shooting with long guns and handguns you can or may be able to attain a fair degree of accuracy while bumpfiring a weapon which would be consistantly putting the majority of your rounds into a refridgerator sized target at 50 yards. You'll never do marksman accuracy but atleast you can or may develope the skill to control your fire in a concentrated area for suppression or intimidation of an aggressor/s. All that being said, even if you can bumpfire with consistancy and with reasonable accuracy it remains a circus trick, at best, that could be used in a limited practical manner on a rare occassion.
The novelty of experiencing a poor man's machinegun soon wears off after you have shot off $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ worth of ammo in a few seconds and melted your barrel down. It's a nice trick to do only every once in a while if you value your firearm for long time service and single shot accuracy.
I have bumpfired the Mini-14, Garand, M1 Carbine, and SKS with ease. The M1 Carbine and Mini-14 are the easiest. I have also done it with a Ruger P-95 and a Ruger P-91 semiautol pistol. My neighbor was a BAR man in Korea and paid me a visit when bumpfiring the Garand insisting that I was shooting a BAR. When bunpfiring the Garand watch that the hot enbloc does not tag you in the face as it ejects when the last round is fired.
Remember it is just a novelty so be safe, sensible, and have fun.[8D]
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
Don't fly the river!0 -
Not a real safe practice by an inexperienced person. You can do almost as fast from the shoulder with some trigger control practice using the tap method where your trigger finger actually taps the front of the trigger guard then re-engages the trigger, and you have more control of the rifle.
Is the safety compromise worth an extra 3 or 4 rounds per minute???
If you only have time to do two things so-so, or one thing well ... do the one thing!0 -
Bump fire http://members.cox.net/traxxasman/Video2.htm
Spring 1911-A1 Mil-Spec
Glock 19C
Cav Arms CAV-15 MKII(AR-15)
S&W 19-4 .357 Mag 6" bbl
Henry Lever Action 22Mag
Marlin/Glenfield Mod 60
Russian M38
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Travis, still no video, but it was a 20rd burst by my math[8D]
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have you tried right clicking on the video "box"? once you do you should get a drop down window and select "save movie as". worked for me.
Spring 1911-A1 Mil-Spec
Glock 19C
Cav Arms CAV-15 MKII(AR-15)
S&W 19-4 .357 Mag 6" bbl
Henry Lever Action 22Mag
Marlin/Glenfield Mod 60
Russian M380 -
I don't get a "video box", it just comes up with that little icon that you get when the link ain't working, kinda like the red "X" when someones posted pics ain't doing their thing. I do get the audio feed though. Is the video in MPEG format?
SUPPORT THE I.N.S. , THE COUNTRY THEY SAVE COULD BE YOUR OWN0 -
Is that bumper fire? Sounds a little fast.[:D]
Larry0 -
its AVI, do you have real player? I also only got audio, but when I clicked(right) where the video was supposed to be I got the drop down menu and then saved the video to my HD. I'll write some code and add some buttons(ie: "play" stop").
Spring 1911-A1 Mil-Spec
Glock 19C
Cav Arms CAV-15 MKII(AR-15)
S&W 19-4 .357 Mag 6" bbl
Henry Lever Action 22Mag
Marlin/Glenfield Mod 60
Russian M380 -
The bump method fires as fast as many machine guns, around 600-700 rounds per minute. How fast do you want to go? With practice, you can actually regulate the rate of fire with the pressure applied pushing the gun forward.
The guy in the video should have had a barrel extention of some kind, fake supressor or shroud, and wrapped his hand around the TOP of the shroud. Hold the gun down with the left hand wrapped around the top of whatever foreward handguard you have. I have no doubt he was bump firing.
Contender Man, as far as I'm concerned, YES. It is a technique everyone serious about firearms should know. If for no other reason than there may come a day when you want your opponent to think you have a full auto weapon. Wanna really scare away an intruder? They will soon come to the conclusion you are serious about your firearms. Those who complain about safety haven't done it much, as far as I'm concerned. Probably not recommended, or allowed in indoor ranges, you do have to excercize some judgement about what's in front of you. You always do with firearms. But if you're out in the country there is really little to worry about. As I said, the main tendency is to push the gunfire down in the ground, not up in the air.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.0 -
hey KJ, try video 2 now, see if it'll work.
Spring 1911-A1 Mil-Spec
Glock 19C
Cav Arms CAV-15 MKII(AR-15)
S&W 19-4 .357 Mag 6" bbl
Henry Lever Action 22Mag
Marlin/Glenfield Mod 60
Russian M380 -
Thanks for the answers. Cant wait to give it a try this weekend.
Larry0 -
WRAP YOUR LEFT HAND'S THUMB AROUND THE TOP OF THE FOREWARD HANDGUARD OR GRIP, to help control the gun. Should have said that in my first post. The guy in the video was using the handgun technique, without much of a foreward holding area. It would have worked better for him with a good barrel extention.
And give me a post on your results/impression in the general discussion forum.
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