11mm German Service
Still looking for 11mm German Service ammunition. Loaded or empty
cases.
George
cases.
George
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George,
Watch the listings under "Collectible Ammunition" here and the other site for "Auction" s of "Arms" - it comes up with some regularity, perhaps twice a month. Original ammo will run $2 and up per round depending on condition and packaging, if any. If you are after it for shooting, watch for the Dominion product made in Canada in the 1960s which is smokeless (BP equivalent loads), NC and Boxer primed so it can be reloaded. You may also find this ammo at shops and shows if you are patient.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain)0 -
these guys use to make it all..my friend had a 1873 french revolver and he got ammo from them and it was nice and reloadable..hope this helps jdmco@hotmail.com JDM & Co Box 855 Billerica,MA 01821 tom 0 -
I purchased reloadable brass and cast bullets for my 1871/84 11.15x60R from Buffalo Arms. See their web site for more info. 0 -
The 11mm German service revolver is one of the easiest of all the old blackpowder military revolvers to feed.
.44 Magnum or Special brass trimmed to .96" length and loaded with a cast lead .429" bullet will work just fine. I'd stick to black powder, but one source I have lists the following smokeless load:
Bullet: 262 grains, lead
Powder: 5.0 grains B'Eye
J0 -
jakelin raises an interesting point. I'd presumed you referred to the 11.15 or "11mm Mauser" *rifle* ammo. If you are looking for the 10.6mm *revolver* ammo, original rounds are *FAR* more expensive and scarce (typically $15 each and up), so unless you are looking for display rounds, making your own or having a custom loader fabricate some for you would be far more cost effective.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain)0 -
Sorry Guys, I should have been more specific. It's for an 1878 DA Colt Revolver.I've been researching this one for more than (15) years. The top of the barrel is stamped "DEPOT 14 PALL MALL LONDON"
for European export. Measurements of the cylinder are that of a .44
Russian. Basicly, the 11mm German brass is .010 shorter and the o.d
of the brass .008 less. I thought perhaps with it exported to Europe
it could have possibly been chambered for the 11mm German Service.
Also interesting and leading me down the 11mm road is the engraving
on the right side above the trigger guard, it is: "FREIHERR von
ERLANGER". Yes, I contacted Colt, they couldn't help me.
For those further interested, it has a 7 1/2" barrel. Serial No. 13###
Thanks for your interest and input.
George0 -
George,
If the cylinder dimensions match those of the .44 Russian (presuming the bore does as well), that seems far more likely than the 10.6 Service revolver, especially given the American origin of the piece. The cross Atlantic exchange of the 1800s was not as extensive as it is today, but there were a lot of American firearms sent to Europe, sometimes with the ammo, sometimes loaded with European versions of the American caliber . . . I've seen Central European loadings of a wide variety of American handgun calibers and a few rifle calibers, although both are quite scarce and command high prices.
I'm an ammo guy rather than any sort of firearms export, but that revolver is quite the mystery ship. Colt revolver chambered (re-chambered?) in a caliber developed by S&W for Tsarist Russia and engraved with the name of some German(ic) noble. Quite a pedigree - or quite a Heinz 57. One thought - under the Tsars, there was a substantial population of people of Germanic origin in Russia. Originally brought in by Peter the Great, they prospered over time and their numbers were augmented at intervals by engineers, professional military officers and the like. It is possible this revolver was owned by one such Prusso-Russian, which would explain the engraving and the caliber. Likely not the case, but a plausible explanation. I daresay this is pretty close to unique; too bad Colt has no data for you.
Given the dimensional variation, however, I think it is fairly certain - and logical - that the correct ammo is in fact the .44 Russian rather than the 10.6mm German Service Revolver.
"There is nothing lower than the human race - except the French." (Mark Twain)0 -
Colt at one time made the big 1878 in .44 Russian, the New Service too. The .476 Eley used in the Enfield service revolver was also listed as an option.
You can get the .44 Russian from Old Western Scrounger, or just trim Special cases to length.
John0 -
If you've got an 1878 DA Colt, I sure wouldn't shoot it too much. That particular revolver has a notoriously weak double action mechanism....and once broken, are virtually impossible to repair. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Xracer
If you've got an 1878 DA Colt, I sure wouldn't shoot it too much. That particular revolver has a notoriously weak double action mechanism....and once broken, are virtually impossible to repair.
The 1878 isn't anywhere near as bad as the 1877 Lightning/Thunderer series. Assuming the cylinder lockup is ok to start; moderate shooting with blackpowder or VERY mild smokeless loads shouldn't hurt it much. Still, the gun is worth far more as a collectable than a shooter.
John0 -
I've had this 1878 DA Colt for(30) plus years. Though it is in perfect mechanical order, I never considered firing it. Do any of you
have an 1878 DA Colt authenticated by Colt with a serial No. close
under 1300 and below 13500. Mine falls within that serial No. range and Colt tells me the records for mine can't be found.
As for the caliber of mine, until proven otherwise, I'm saying it is
a .44 S&W Russian Caliber. It can't be a reworked .44 anything else
because all other .44s are longer and no way I know of have the .457
dia. cylinder bore depth of .930 to the c'bore reduced from let's say
a .44 S&W Special that has a case length 1.160". Straighten me out if
I'm wrong.
Again, thanks for your interest and input.
George0
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