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Winchester 1892 Markings

sfguy
All the Winchesters I have owned, the model numbers have been along the tang, I have one now that was made in 1907 and it is marked across the tang "Model 1892" How long did Winchester mark like this and is it worth more?
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  • taperloc
    Hello sfguy,
    I believe that the stamp you are referring to was used by Winchester for guns to be exported to Great Britain. The Brit's had some requirement that the year of introduction be stamped on the weapon. I believe that in some cases, the gun was rejected by British Customs and was returned. Winchester then sold it here in the States.
    Hope this helps.
    Taperloc.
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  • Bert H.
    Hello sfguy...

    I have to completely disagree with taperloc's response to your question.

    According to Winchester author Art Pirkle;

    "The Type 7 upper tang markings were only used on rifles and carbines intended for export to Great Britain or her colonies at circa serial #500,000. British import regulation at the time required that the year of introduction be stamped on the firearm. The model year was stamped behind the hammer slot, but occasionally will be found stamped elsewhere on the gun, usually on the barrel. If the rifle or carbine had the Type 7 Winchester marking but not the Model Year behind the hammer slot or on the barrel, then the rifle or carbine probably was rejected by British customs authorities and resold in the United States, or eleswhere.

    The markings were stamped the length of the tang as usual and read:

    REG. IN U.S. PAT. OFF.
    -W I N C H E S T E R-
    -TRADEMARK-"
    End quote.

    Your Model 1892 with the tang marking you are describing, appears to be the final type used on domestic sale Model 1892s, and again, according to Art Pirkle;

    "Finally, the model number was stamped crosswise and was centered between the rear edge of the hammer slot and the front edge of the front tang sight mount hole. It read:

    MOD.
    1892

    Both lines were 9/32 inches long and the4 sans serif letters and numbers were 5/64 inches high." end quote

    There is no premium that I am aware of for any of the various/different upper tang markings.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • sfguy
    Thanks for the info that you guys have given me, it sounds like what I have. One thing I don't understand is the lack of British proof marks on it, all the exports I have seen have been pretty well decorated with them. What source did you find this info?

    Thanks again

    SFGUY
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by sfguy
    Thanks for the info that you guys have given me, it sounds like what I have. One thing I don't understand is the lack of British proof marks on it, all the exports I have seen have been pretty well decorated with them. What source did you find this info?

    Thanks again

    SFGUY




    I guess I wasn't clear in my last post... your Model 1892 is NOT a British export gun. It just simply has the final type of upper tang marking that Winchester used on all domestic sale Model 1892s. I will attempt to edit my previous post to make it clearer for all that may read it.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • capgun
    This is still confusing, My 1906 gun is marked the same way, with Mod 1892 behind the hammer, like the OPs. Pirkle states these are export guns, as you quoted him. I don't know what you mean by "It just simply has the final type of upper tang marking that Winchester used on all domestic sale Model 1892s." My later 1892s are not marked like this, with the Mod 1892 behind the hammer.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by capgun
    This is still confusing, My 1906 gun is marked the same way, with Mod 1892 behind the hammer, like the OPs. Pirkle states these are export guns, as you quoted him. I don't know what you mean by "It just simply has the final type of upper tang marking that Winchester used on all domestic sale Model 1892s." My later 1892s are not marked like this, with the Mod 1892 behind the hammer.


    Some of the information that I posted (back in 2004) in this topic string is not completely accurate. There were several other (later) upper tang markings used by Winchester on the Model 1892/92. The fellow who has the best information about them can be contacted here - http://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355

    I encourage you to contact him with your question.
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  • mrmike08075
    Burt I always here about the so called great gun and parts clean up at Winchester I think in the 1920's

    Always here talk about parts being assembled into gun variations that never existed resulting in some confusing and oddball pieces

    Any veracity to the off told tale???

    Mike
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  • Mod1892
    quote:Originally posted by capgun
    This is still confusing, My 1906 gun is marked the same way, with Mod 1892 behind the hammer, like the OPs. Pirkle states these are export guns, as you quoted him. I don't know what you mean by "It just simply has the final type of upper tang marking that Winchester used on all domestic sale Model 1892s." My later 1892s are not marked like this, with the Mod 1892 behind the hammer.


    Hello capgun,

    If you will send me the serial number and some photos of your rifle I will be glad to help you. Your rifle is most likely from a group of approximately 25,000 Model 1892's between SN 476000 and about 501000, though there are some a bit higher than that. Based on my work I do not believe that these were stamped as such for any export reason NONE of the more than 200 rifles I have seen in this range with this tang stamp have any foreign proof stamps.

    If you scroll to the top of forum listing you will find a "sticky" for my survey. I would love to add your rifle into the work. https://forums.GunBroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355

    Thanks
    Michael
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
    Burt I always here about the so called great gun and parts clean up at Winchester I think in the 1920's

    Always here talk about parts being assembled into gun variations that never existed resulting in some confusing and oddball pieces

    Any veracity to the off told tale???

    Mike


    Mike,

    In nearly all cases, that theory (story) is used as an "excuse" to sell a Winchester that has been fooled with. While Winchester did assemble some parts clean-up guns, it was not a significant number of them, and they for the most part, they were standard configuration guns. There are a few exceptions where a some odd-balls were assembled though.
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