Mosin Nagant M44 recoil/ammo??
Hey everyone
I just picked up my M44 today from my dealer. This weekend i bought a case of Czech military ball ammo from around the 1970's or so. Got a real good price so i figured why not. Once i got home i took it out to shoot under the impression that the rifle was going to kick like a mule.
I was amazed that the rifle hardly kicked at all! The muzzle flash was pretty good, but recoil didnt seem much different from my ar-15 (granted this was over a coat but muzzle jump seemed negligable also?) What gives? Does the 147 or so grain FMJ ammo just kick light, or is it possible that the ammo, being this old, is losing potency? The ammo is non-corrosive supposedly and i know ive heard of guys shooting WWII .45 ammo without problems. Were the dealers just exagerating the recoil, or is the ammo bad?
By the way i shot a chunk of ice from a small bucket and it exploded, so it seemed to have plenty of power. I plan to buy some of the 200 grain Wolf fodder anyways, but i would hate to have 780 useless rounds. Sorry this got so long, any advice will be appreciated.
I just picked up my M44 today from my dealer. This weekend i bought a case of Czech military ball ammo from around the 1970's or so. Got a real good price so i figured why not. Once i got home i took it out to shoot under the impression that the rifle was going to kick like a mule.
I was amazed that the rifle hardly kicked at all! The muzzle flash was pretty good, but recoil didnt seem much different from my ar-15 (granted this was over a coat but muzzle jump seemed negligable also?) What gives? Does the 147 or so grain FMJ ammo just kick light, or is it possible that the ammo, being this old, is losing potency? The ammo is non-corrosive supposedly and i know ive heard of guys shooting WWII .45 ammo without problems. Were the dealers just exagerating the recoil, or is the ammo bad?
By the way i shot a chunk of ice from a small bucket and it exploded, so it seemed to have plenty of power. I plan to buy some of the 200 grain Wolf fodder anyways, but i would hate to have 780 useless rounds. Sorry this got so long, any advice will be appreciated.
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A lot of the milsurp ammo is 140-150 grains and pretty light on the recoil. The gun is also rather heavy, even for a carbine, so that takes a lot of bite out as well. If you want recoil, go get the 203gr Barnaul JSP ammo[B)]
PS: the Czech LPS ammo is surprisingly light on recoil if you are looking for plinking ammo.
PSS: Be sure to thoroughly clean your M44 after shooting any military ammo, a lot of that milsurp stuff has corrosive primers. Be sure to run some Windex and a few patches through the barrel/chamber after performing the regular cleaning
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Thanks kingjoey, that was kinda what i suspected but i just wanted to be sure. I figure the 200 grain softpoints will come back a bit harder, but i found this stuff pleasant to shoot.
I cleaned the gun after i brought it in, but what is the Windex for? This thing was dirty as can be but works suprisingly smooth, go figure.0 -
You might also pick up the DVD called "Enemy at the Gates".
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The Windex is for the ammonia in the product, which is said to counter the corrosive salts resulting from using corrosive primers to prevent rusting. It is also important, after wiping out your bore with Windex, to wipe out the Windex, as it is about 99% water and will itself cause rust if left wet. After drying the bore apply a light coat of gun oil. 0 -
Thanks everyone, i wouldve never known about the Windexand probably ended up with a corrosion problem. I cant wait to take it out tommorow and see if it shoots worth a darn.
By the way ive seen the Enemy at the Gates movie, and i liked it, but i dont recall seeing anything but the full size Mosin rifles, although it was a while back.0 -
The M44 is the carbine version of the M91/30 rifle seen in the movie. Later, the sniper version bore the designation "PU" indicating sniper function. The M44 itself wasn't even introduced till about 2 years after the events depicted in the movie took place, although the action and chamber are identical in the two models.
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Lots of people advertise, "non corrosive military surplus ammo," but few have it. The Swedish 6.5 ammo is non corrosive. Best to regard all milsurp as corrosive or you will be in for a nasty surprise.
After you have cleaned your rifle, be sure to go back and check the bore four or five days later, run a patch down it.
I have a collector's grade M39, same action as yours, better barrel and sights. I shot it once with some Russian milsurp that I knew to be corrosive and cleaned it up pretty good. A week later I was looking down the bore, because it has such a a beautiful bore. I noticed the bore looked fuzzy, I thought "What the hell".
I ran a patch down there and it came out bright red orange, covered with rust. I about had a stroke.
I cleaned hell out of it, and it seems to have done little or no damage.
ps Ammonia will eat the finish right off the stock, be careful with that stuff.0
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