(Krieghoff) vs. (Browning, Remington, and Ruger).
Can someone please explain this to me. Why would someone pay $10,000 for a Krieghoff rifle or shotgun when you can get an exceptional mid to top of the line Browning, Remington, or Ruger for $1000.00. ,and still have $9000 left over for sights,ammo,gear, and a late mode preowned Jeep Wrangler to take out into the woods. I know they are exceptionally well made and demonstrate fine German craftsmanship, but is a Browning, Remington , or a Ruger really that much worse. If you spend a $1000 for a nice rifle or shotgun, you pretty much have a weapon that has an exceptional warranty, will perform great with proper care, and looks and feels great. You can even customize to your hearts content and modify with sights and whatever, so again, why would you spend $10,000 on a rifle. If I want to spend $10,000 on a firearm, it better be one that a high ranking SS officer held in his hands and I can pedigree it right to the Reichschancellory HQ.
I don't mind spending money on quality firearms, but I don't see myself spending more than $1500 on a rifle or pistol. For $200-$1500, you can get exceptional firearms, why would you spend more than $1500 for a single firearm?
Brian Ostro
member: NRA, John Birch Society, American Numismatic Association.
I don't mind spending money on quality firearms, but I don't see myself spending more than $1500 on a rifle or pistol. For $200-$1500, you can get exceptional firearms, why would you spend more than $1500 for a single firearm?
Brian Ostro
member: NRA, John Birch Society, American Numismatic Association.
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Yes and some of the kreighoffs I've seen aren't that pretty or nice wood,either. But, it goes to the fact of human nature. A chevy goes down the road just as well as a Caddy, will gather speeding tickets just the same, ect. But to some, the fact that they drive a caddy makes a big difference personally. I have seen a guy with an old model 12 totally spank guys with much more advanced and expensive weapons, but in the right hands, there is an edge with fine machinery, maybe not always, but day after day it can and does make a difference. 0 -
I have never shot a Kreighoff, so maybe I don't know what I am talking about, but I have shot Rugers, Brownings, and Remingtons , and I can't see paying $9000 more for a weapon that could only be nominally better.
Brian Ostro
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Brian, in answer to your question regarding why someone would pay $10,000.00 for a Krieghoff shotgun? Because they can. Each year I attend the National Sporting Clays event in San Antonio Texas. Entry is not based on achievement during the season, but ability to pay the entry fee. Over a period of 12 years I have seen shotguns go from the average $1000.00 gun to now an abundance of custom grade $30,000.00 guns that are shot on a regular basis. Many shooters today have their gun custom tailored to fit them, custom stocks, chokes, barrels, and many other accessories. These items are not cheap and the average shooter can easily invest several thousand dollars just in visible assetts. Take in to consideration motel expenses, flights, shells, and entry fees with very little pay out to the few winners, It's all just because you can. 0 -
Interesting feedback so far.
Brian Ostro
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When you hold a 10,000 shotgun, you can't blame the gun when you miss. But seriously, having or just shooting or handling a "fine" gun gives you a feeling that really can't be described in words.
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I see what you guys are saying, Although its a status symbol, if you don't experience the quality, you can't really communicate it, kind of like driving a Rolls Royce. I guess I'll never know.[|)], but then again I am having alot of fun with the staple brands like Ruger, Remington, and Browning.
Brian Ostro
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To many of those folks, if not most of them ... $10k is like $1k or less to us. The you have the "wanna be's" and it's all they can do to make the payments on their "status toys".
However, here is something to keep in mind ... "It ain't the wand, it's the magician." [:D]
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Contenderman:
Very well said!!![:D]
Brian Ostro
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I have shot the Krieghoff (but do not own one) and I have an older Perazzi, and several Brownings.
I have shotguns that fit me, and that can deliver reliable preformance. I don't know what it is the cheaper Browning fits me slightly better than the Perazzi, but I shoot the Perrazzi better.
Go figure.
I have a friend that just sold his Krieghoff (that he shot well), and bought a Berretta. He has sent back 4 brand new shotguns because of problems with each one. He sorely regrets giving up the Krieghoff.
Most people that can afford, will buy what they want, and that means tens of thousands of dollars if that is what they want.
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actually, a 10,000.00 kreighoff is the cheaper model. most ive shot are 40,000.00 and up. ive shot a 150,000.00 perazzi a few years back. didnt own it, just shot it! most people that buy guns at this level dont make payments either, they pay cash. i admit, i did make 3 payments for my 1940 A-1S parker skeet. i did it to make some data on my credit record improve! there are some things to remember about fine guns. fine guns are functional and investments. invest in the right ones and you will always get your money back. next, guns at this level are sometimes low production and take 3 to 5 years to make custom order. these are some very expensive options available when it comes to a gun at this level. mate it up with a world renouned artist doing the art work, and you get not only a collectible gun that is functional, but a gun that is art. and folks, you can have all the sigs and mosen nangets you want, give me a deep relief german engraved gun with animal scenes from bavaria any day! as inexpensive as rem 3200's are in comparison, my remington 3200 is worth 10,000.00. its a one of 100 with gold inlays and 2 bbls fitted for skeet and trap. all matching factory numbers and documented. when you move into this level of gun ownership, it is equal to ferarri's and old wine collecting. now in kriegoffs defense i will say this....you can interchange stocks, bbls, trigger groups, anything....in less than 5 minutes. why? olympic rules require gun malfuctions to be fixed in so much time or you are disqualified. go to a olympic match with a baikial? right! you cant change guns folks. your gun is marked by judges and it must make it the whole match! guns like kreighoff and perazzi are WORLD CLASS LEVEL guns and the builders know it. thus, if the competitors want those options, odds are, they can afford it and pay it. would you put a U.S. gold medal on the line and lose it to a jammed ejector? or a trigger that isnt setting? been there, done that. yours truly, 1996 olympic trials ft benning ga. came in dead last due to a trigger malfunction. missed the cut and went home with my tail between my legs. so, in closing, does it appear strange to pay those amounts? to a working class man, yes. but to a champ or a millionaire, no. and trust me, there are plenty of them around to play the 6 figure gun game! go to the world shoot in san ant tex some day and see the wares of the dealers. youll faint and feel ashamed to a point you wont want to take your 1100 or 870 out of the sleeve youll leave it in your trunk, and buy a kreighoff ballcap just to blend in!! i laid my 10,000.00 3200 on the ground one time and it shook the squad so bad, they missed targets all day worrying about my gun! i won the match! something about owning a fine gun...its make you concentrate when you shoot it, and it catches the eyes of many around you. youd be surprised the parties and homes ive been invited to, just by what i shot with on the range. some invest in a business suit to impress clients. i buy guns. it has made me a wealthy man. sure beats jack hammers in august.
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Very informative.
Brian Ostro
member: NRA, John Birch Society, American Numismatic Association.0
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