25-20 win. high speed?
I was on the remington site and noticed there is a 25-20 win high speed cartrige, was just wonedering if anyone has any info on it thanks!
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May be high speed for the caliber/chambering, but you are not talking a rocket here, nor are you going to be able to hand load it to be one. Early varmit round that's now all but obsolete, in fact it may actually be, and there is just still some ammo floating around.
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For a brief time before WW2, Winchester produced a line of "High Velocity" loadings in the M1892 chamberings of .25-20, .32-20, .38-40 and .44-40, complete with all sorts of warnings to use only in the M92 (even the headstamps had notations about "HV"). Of course no even considered putting these loads into BP revolvers or M1873 rifles . . . . . Their lawyers put an end to this offering real fast. These weren't magnum rounds of any sort, but were too stiff for the earlier rifles and handguns. The .25-20 would have been the only "pure" smokeless cartridge in there, but with that tiny case, the difference afforded by the "HV" loading wasn't terribly dramatic - more hype than anything . . . not that any ammo or firearms maker has ever done anything like this . . . .
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My books are still packed from a recent move but as I recall
the 25-20 HS loading was about 60gr @ 2200fps. In the 92 Winchester or a LoWall
Winchester you could probably safely boost it a little above that.
I posed the high speed question to the late author of Cartridges of the World and he replied the 32-20, 38-40 and 44-40 HS loadings came out in about 1903-1906.
I personally bought 80gr hollow point high speed 32-20 ammo
in about 1949-50. While the ammo boxes were marked "For Winchester 92 only", the brass wasn't, so loose rounds lost their identity and found themselves in weak rifles and pistols. The '73 Winchester and Colt Lightning were weak black powder rifles of the time that couldn't take
hot loadings and likewise, the SAA black powder Colts and the many junk Belgian copies of our guns in these calibers.0 -
v35, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that Mr. Amber, although the original author of CotW and a recognized - and deservedly respected - expert in the field of firearms, may have had his dates wrong in his response to you. Despite his general expertise, he was not a cartridge specialist and while I don't have a list handy, several minor errors in detail have been noted in the various editions of CotW - perhaps this is one of them. I have had several boxes of this ammo, all of 1930s vintage. An example of a box and load are seen in the below scan; note the "Staynless" priming, which came into use well after 1906. Perhaps there was earlier production of which I'm not aware. In my rounds and other loadings I've seen the headstamps incorporate the initials "HV" in the headstamp. Again, perhaps this was only done in a later run. Looking at the boxes more closely in the light of morning, they could be a bit earlier, late 1920s, but definitely post WW1. 
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just another quick question, on the remington site they said it was interchangable with the 25-20 win, so is the brass the same, just with more powder? What would the diffrence be? Just kinda wondering, cause I got a 25-20 win but it is chambered in a Remington pump 0 -
rotax, the high speed version just has more energy; the exterior dimensions remain the same. Applicability in a Remington pump? No idea, but my gut reaction would be to ask Remington and live with whatever they say; the M1892 was pretty strong for a small lever action; I'm not sure the Remington has comparable strength. The ballistic differences in the cartridges are relatively small, but that's no warranty it will be safe in your rifle.
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The 1906 Ideal handbook shows both low and high speed factory loadings for the 25-20, 32-20, 38-40 and 44-40. Some of these show almost twice the energy for the high speed loadings. The standard 25-20 loading was an 86 grain bullet at 1300fps giving an energy of 323 ft lbs@ 50 ft.. In high speed loading, an 86 grain bullet travelled at 1650 fps for 520 ft lbs of energy at 50 ft. There was a later pre WW2 high speed 25-20 loading using a lighter, 60 grain bullet @ 2210 fps for a muzzle energy of 650 ft lbs.. The high speed loads were all designated for the Winchester 92.
I dont think any of the old high speed loads would take your Remington Model 25 apart but they're not available anyway. I'd check the advertized ballistics of the new Remington HS 25-20 ammo against the numbers above and I'd be surprized if they equal the old discontinued high velocity ammo.
I've fired lots of handloaded high speed loads in my Model 25 Remington as has Frank Barnes, the late author of "Cartridges of the World". He loved that gun and so do I.0 -
Thanks for the awsome info! Thats what I got a good old model 25! love it to death[:D] 0 -
Check
RTGAMMO.COM
this place has 25-20 as well as 32-20 high velocity rounds.0
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