7mm STW Good round?
I have no experinace with the "7's" the STW looks good in my reload books. I will be using it for a long range paper punch, and wild hogs. Thought this might be a good complement to my other toys. [:)]
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I'd skip it in favor of the 7RUM. The RUM has no belt to deal with,..and can be positivley headspaced on the shoulders,..every time. The velocity on the RUM is greater,..and it may burn the throat out 100rnds sooner(not even enough to worry about)
Or,..if you can get a deal on the STW,..then by all means,.get it. The 7mm mag family is quite a performer. Try the 162gr hornady a-max in either one,..and see how tight they "knot up" the groups at long range[8]
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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Thanks bud! I did get your E-mail BTW but I have a down on the 40x my only thing is What Cal.! 7mm or 300SRUM. I am just thinking at this piont about recoil, I am not a super big guy (5'10 160) and after trying the .300 win mag, 15 shots and I am done for the day!
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I used to have a 7mm STW and they are true performers. I'd have to agree with JustC about the RUM, it was specifically designed to outperform the STW, and does so even with factory loads, but it is minimal (less than 50 fps on most loadings).
It's kinda like the 22-250 vs. .220 Swift. The 22-250 can be easily loaded to .220 Swift levels whereas the .220 Swift can be loaded to levels the 22-250 cannot, but it is at the expense of barrel life. Similiarly, the STW can be easily loaded to RUM levels, but the RUM can exceed what the STW can with handloads - again at the expense of barrels.
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The 7mm Ultra can not be improved much over factory loads. They come so hot their is little room for improvement. I had hand loads done for two different 7mm Ultras and they both had the same problem. The length of the cartridge is too long and the powder will basically back burn. The neck of the cartridge collasped. The guy who handloaded the first batch said he could not believe how much more powder you had to use over the STW for what little gain you received. Not knocking the 7mm ultra. It is fast and accurate. Just comes with a little more headache.
The factory 7mm ultra loads are about $40 for a box of twenty (Nosler partitions). The STW can be laoded hot and be very close to same velocities. I know two friends that have them and they love them.
The recoil is harsh on the 7mm Ultra (Real harsh on the 300 Ultra). I was uncomfortable with it because it cut my cousin 6 times (using a Schmidt & Bender scope with the rubber eyepiece). When he sold it the guy who bought hit himself too and he is a Bad Dude. This was always in the back of my mind. Another big guy 6' 220 would not buy because of ther recoil, scratched himself up while testing it off of a wooden bench. Muzzle breaks will take the recoil away but then you (and your friends) are dealing with the noise. I do not believe the STW will kick near as bad but I could be wrong.
You may want to consider the Sako/Lazzeroni Firebird. Col Boddington calls it the fastest 7mm. It is accurate and should be tolerable on the recoil. Lazzman sells them about $300 below list price on this site (Sako TRG-s firebird). Starts at $599. The down side is the brass is expensive but it is the very best quality and is capable of more reloads than almost any other brass. They make a sims limsaver for the sako line now and my Sako Warbird definately kicks less than the 7mm ultra using the same pad. Check it out on www.lazzeroni.com
This is my expierience. Hope it helps.
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Just to clear it up. Yes you can hot load the ultra in a heavier bullet. My problems were with the 140 gr bullets. Mine had to be hot loaded in a 165 grain instead. At that weight the speed was not what I wanted (3160 fps) versus the 3425 fps of the 140 grain bullet.
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i built a 7 stw before you could buy one and know a little bit about them. first it is a good round and accurate for sure.i've loaded alot of powders and the one that works for me is 80.0 gr. of rel 22, fed gm 215m, nosler 140bt. i get an av vel of 3450 and this is from a 24" tube i have reached 3500 but bolt lift was alittle more stiff than i wanted.i dont think the UM'S have anything to offer over it but more burnt powder 0 -
My theory on the collapsed shoulders is that oversized necks in the chambers are the culprit. Tight necked versions (match reamers) done by my gunsmith have not had this happen. I have seen it in a factory chamber though.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
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I have a buddy of mine who has a 7 mm STW and he loves it on hogs. Says it rattles the acorns and they don't run off. Ammo is a little expensive, though. 0 -
I built a Schneider #4 contoured 27" 7STW and bought a S/S Sendero chambered in same.
I much prefer the 257Wby,but I'm funny that way.....................0
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