1911 Question
If you wanted a good 1911 would it be better to buy the Springfield and add the options you wanted yourself, or buy a Kimber that is already tricked out, or something else that I have not mentioned? You guys generally give good advice so that is what I am trying to get again. Thanks guys!
JC
Opinions are like azzholes, eveyone's got one, and this just happens to be mine!
JC
Opinions are like azzholes, eveyone's got one, and this just happens to be mine!
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,,,,,have been given a Colt 1911 (1918 WW1 Replica-01918) that falls within the Colt recall serial numbers,,,,,,have no desire to shoot this weapon,,,,,,,so, would you return it to Colt or leave as is with a printed recall notice in the box for future ref after I'm gone,,,,,,,any input appreciated,,,,,,, 0 -
In the late 1980's I bought a new Springfield Armoury ( Illinois ) .45.
The serial number was similar to yours with a "NM" prefix.
One of the .45's I have built, was with a Caspian frame, I have been totally satisfied with it, and have it to this day.0 -
Thanks Rufe-Snow. Does your slide have any other markings besides the NM sn? 0 -
Sorry want to clarify my previous post.
The point I was trying to make is, just because there is a "N M" marking on the pistol doesn't necessarly mean it's a National Match pistol.
The Springfield I had was serial numbered on the frame with the "N M" prefix. At this late date it's hard to remember, if it was also marked similary on the slide? I don't believe so.0 -
Ben,
It sounds like you have a National Match slide on a build up parts gun. My concern is that, per your description, you have a frame with no serial number. I would recommend you take pictures of both sides of the pistol with the grips removed and let us look at them. What is the history of this gun? How did you come to own it? I have a few ideas about the frame, but will reserve judgement until we can look at the pistol. In the meantime, not to alarm you, but don't sell the weapon or attempt to trade it. Every 1911 frame should have a s/n and either a manufacturer name or United States Property on it.
Richard, have you ever seen a 1911 frame with no numbers? Maybe 80% home builts?
James
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Rufe Snow, Your point is well taken. The gun is just a mystery to me. fit and function are great. Hasn't jammed once in over 1500 rounds.
James, there are some photos on the web right now at http://www.myfishingpictures.com/showgallery.php?ppuser=1855&cat=500
There are no photos of w/ the grips off, but the only marking on the grip are the TR4 right below the top grip screw. I will post those in themorning. My home PC doesn't like me right now.
It came to me in a round about way. I traded an old winny model 12 with a polychoke on it, then a year later, I bought back the model 12 for $250. The guy on the other end of the deal lives out in the boonies and had had the pistol for I don't know how long. I don't want to sell it, love it to pieces. Is it illegal w/o a serial? If so, how would one rectify the situation?0 -
quote:Originally posted by benjy boy
Rufe Snow, Your point is well taken. The gun is just a mystery to me. fit and function are great. Hasn't jammed once in over 1500 rounds.
James, there are some photos on the web right now at http://www.myfishingpictures.com/showgallery.php?ppuser=1855&cat=500
There are no photos of w/ the grips off, but the only marking on the grip are the TR4 right below the top grip screw. I will post those in themorning. My home PC doesn't like me right now.
It came to me in a round about way. I traded an old winny model 12 with a polychoke on it, then a year later, I bought back the model 12 for $250. The guy on the other end of the deal lives out in the boonies and had had the pistol for I don't know how long. I don't want to sell it, love it to pieces. Is it illegal w/o a serial? If so, how would one rectify the situation?
I stand corrected!
Was just over at this fine 1911 site www.coolgunsite.com/mainpage.htm
They have a national match section, with the different slide makings. Your slide appears to be right!
http://www.coolgunsite.com/images/1911/drake nm/national_match_notes.htm0 -
Thanks again Rufe Snow. I guess that answers one question definitavely. Were serial numbers required before 1968? Someone told me somewhere that they didn't. 0 -
I dunno, slide could be a late 60's Natl. Match, but the frame really throws me. Sure aren't a lot of markings.
James
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Here's the Frame Pics.
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/showgallery.php?ppuser=1855&cat=500
Many thanks for all the help. Y'all are great!0 -
Kuhlewulf--I think your initial instincts were correct; a national match slide on a parts gun frame, but the slide is not Colt mfg.
benjy boy--Would you buy TR4 as meaning, "Tool Room Piece #4?" I think you have a preproduction tool room sample. I can see machining marks that probably wouldn't be present in a "finished" product, and it appears never to have had a commercial blue. Looks like you have what's left of a cold blue. Therefore, since the serial number must be on the frame, your serial number is: TR4 And, that's good enough; there's no law saying that a number must be 10 digits in length. All in all, a nice pistol. The J on the trigger guard is just an inspection mark, probably someone's initial. Colt customarily put their proof mark in that location which was a P in a triangle, and whoever made your frame decided to use the same location.0 -
I'd buy it. Anything to get a concrete picture in my mind as to the origins.
Many, many thanks to all. Out of curiosity's sake, and for insuarance purposes, what would y'all think the estimated value is?0
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