need info on lc smith
i have a 16 guage lc smith hammered side x side with 32"barrles weapon is in exelent shape i would rate it around 90% any info would be app.
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We need more info, such as any engraving on the sideplates, Damascus or steel barrels, etc. Unless it is a steel barreled gun, you have a wall-hanger. 0 -
One of the premier domestic scatterguns. Damascus or fluid steel will make a huge difference. If you're lucky you'll see "Royal or Armour Steel" stamped under the barrels.
Serial number would be a help, along with stampings on the top of the tubes, but most probably L.C. Smith / Hunter Arms Co./ Fulton, NY unless very early.
Assuming steel tubes, then I'd have chamber length checked as they're probably slightly short for modern loads. If damascus, then still a fine gun, but only designed for black powder.
Value will be determined by condition, grade, and type of tube construction.
Nice gun!
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Nord, on the subject of chamber length--- did you know that ALL 16 ga. Elsies are "short chamber", i.e. 2-9/16"? 0 -
Unless the chamber has been lengthened to 23/4 as many have.
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The answer is yes and yes to the last two posts. If the gun has been in for rework of any kind the chambers will almost certainly have been lengthened.
First thing that happened when I had my Elcee's at the Ithaca Custom Shop was a measure of chamber length. Never a question if I wanted it done... It just was.
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first off thanks for the replies. the markings on the gun are as follows royal steel Hunter Arms co. makers, Fulton NY the ser# is 134243f there are two of these one on barrel and one on frame thanks
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According to the s/n you furnished, your Elsie is an "F" grade manufactured shortly after 1902, as the serial number range on hammer guns starts at 125,000 and runs through 179,841 in 1918. You're in luck--Royal Steel barrels are not Damascus ! 0 -
once again thanks for all the info, but does anyone have an idea on the value
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12 ga. is the most common gun and brings the least on the market. Interestingly, the 16 ga. seems to follow the 12 ga. rather than the 20 ga. (which will bump value by about 50%).
Percentage is entirely a subjective thing. At 90% the gun would have very few blemishes from field use and little wear. As a field gun it's among the most numerous of the Smith's, but it's desirable.
Since I can't see the gun, here's about the best I can do...
I'd guess at about $400.00 on the low side. In better than expected condition you might expect another $200.00. If the gun were to be even better than the 90% quoted, then it would become of much more interest to collectors. Hence the value might top what I've given you by a considerable amount.
The only fair way to evaluate such a gun is by putting it in the hands of someone familiar with them. Even then there seems to be a considerable difference in value depending on the region of the US you happen to be in.
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