A safer way to carry Glock?
I carry a Glock sometimes. It's a 10 shot compact I remember the model number. I carry it in my front pocket, inside a inside the pants holster without a bullet in the chamber. This is a good set up, but it is slow to draw and would require both of my hand to do so(one to pull the slide back). My question is can I disassemble the gun put a bullit in it and reassemble it. This way it has a bullet in the chamber but (if done right) would not be cocked. This way when I draw the gun all I have to do is move the slide back maybe a half inch to cock the gun. With practice this could be done with one hand. Will this work? or am I getting read to lose a finger or two or shoot myself in the leg. Either one would suck.
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I don't see ANY benefit of carrying the gun with the gun not cocked (if it can even be done) with a round in the chamber. I could see in a panic situation the user not pulling it back far enough to cock it, or worse yet to pull it back too far and it starts to eject the one in the chamber and loads the top on in the magazine. If this is done and resulted in a jam you could be in a world of hurt.
The gun has a very good safety system - the best passive safety system in my eyes.
There's a couple things you could do, first is to make sure you have a form-fitting holster that fully covers the trigger and trigger guard area. Second, is to replace the typical 5# connector that is factory installed and replace it with the heavier 8# connector. Essentially this is just like making the trigger pull on the ol' revolvers heavier so it is just that much less likely it'll get accidentally pulled.
When I travel with my Glock 20, I have it in just a soft gun sack and since the trigger area isn't totally protected, I empty the chamber and dry-fire it so I can visually tell that the chamber is truly empty then I reinsert the magazine. However, with a proper holster as I described earlier I'd carry it cocked and ready for action.
If you can find a video of the testing they did on them you'd be a firm believer that thier safety system really does work. The one I saw had them dropping loaded guns from quite a ways up, I'd say between 10 and 20 feet, while it caused a couple of them not to fire properly afterwards, not a single one went off accidentally.
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I disagree too.
I'm not sure you can put a round in it and get it back together without pulling the slide back far enough to cock it. I've been trying (without a live round) & I can't assemble it without having it cock. Even so, this plan doesn't sound safe to me! And I like to rack the slide once to make sure it's right.
But anyway, this point is really moot. The Glock was meant to be carried with a round in the chamber. Keep your finger off the trigger and it's going to just sit there and wait for you. Same with a modern DA revolver with a round under the hammer. They're supposed to be carried this way. The Glock replicates this DA trigger pull and simplicity. Just pull the trigger and bang!
If this is unnerving to you, I think you're stuck with racking the slide to chamber a round! Trust your Glock!0 -
Replacing your standard connector with an 8#'er will not make your Glock as safe as a revolver. For example, S&W and Colt revolvers come from the factory with trigger pulls of about 14#. This amount of pressure also must be supplied over several times the distance of the Glock trigger, which only takes a few millimeters of movement. Dry fire these side by side and you'll see the difference.
The internal passive safety system referred to only prevents it from discharging if dropped, as with all modern pistols. The small safety lever in the trigger is just a gimmick that Sauer introduced back in the 1930's and found to be useless.
Glocks are good pistols, but you have to face the fact that when chambered they require the use of a holster with a covered trigger guard.0 -
since we're looking for input, let mine be: let someone else carry a glock! thats the safest way! sorry! im partial to sigs. 0 -
Bambihunter, Tom, and Txs are right. YOU HAVE TO TRUST YOUR GUN. I am not a fan of Glocks (1911's and Browning HP's for me) but they are good weapons. The safety systems are all top notch, and the gun is designed for cocked and locked carry. I argue this with my dad all the time. If you're carrying a concealed weapon the time it takes to draw, rack the slide, point and fire is BANG! oops, you're dead! There isn't time to do all that. The travel and pressure on the Glock trigger is a lot greater than most autoloaders. With even a decent holster and being smart enough not to ever mess with the gun unless youre going to use it or remove it, the weapon is safe to carry loaded. Would you feel more comfortable with a revolver? Yes? whats the difference? There is always a "round in the chamber" in a revolver. If youre that wary of shooting off things you'll need in your pants get a pancake holster amd wear it outside your pants. You must trust your weapon, and more importantly, trust in your ability to manage and control your weapon.
James
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Guy's this is a no brainer. I've seen a company in all of the gun rags that makes a molded pieces that fit's between the Back of the Trigger and the frame. It's impossible for the trigger to move backwards. When you want to fire, simply push the piece out with your trigger finger, and it's ready to go. If anyone is interested, I can probably find the company in my collection of magazines. 0 -
If you want an automatic that's really safe to carry with a round in the chamber, consider the CZ100 in 40 S&W or 9mm. It is DAO with a Long deliberate trigger pull. It feels kind of like a stiff double action revolver. The trigger pull is too long to be a good target pistol because your trigger finger gets tired after about 50 rounds, but once you get used to the trigger it makes a good carry pistol. The striker fired mechanism and firing pin safety makes it so there is no way it can go off unless you pull the trigger all the way back.
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If you want an automatic that's really safe to carry with a round in the chamber, consider the CZ100 in 40 S&W or 9mm. It is DAO with a Long deliberate trigger pull. It feels kind of like a stiff double action revolver. The trigger pull is too long to be a good target pistol because your trigger finger gets tired after about 50 rounds, but once you get used to the trigger it makes a good carry pistol. The striker fired mechanism and firing pin safety makes it so there is no way it can go off unless you pull the trigger all the way back.
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Caminolli, (unsure of spelling) I believe is now selling a safety for the Glock I believe it is around $100 bucks installed and when in the locked position locks the trigger from moving while still allowing slide operation. 0 -
Thanks for all your input, you guys are great. I was just wondering if this could be done and if anyone had done it. I love the the two Glocks I have but lets face it I don't trust the safety never have never will. If I do carry them it is unchambered, because of this reason. I have a 38 Taurus I carry most the time. I carry the 38 will all 5 rounds loaded. I carry a compact Glock if my chances for trouble is higher, like leaving town, short trips. and I carry the USP with one in the chamber uncocked and thumb safety on If my risk would be at it highest, I collect antique mowers and sometimes may travel hundreds of miles with large amount of money to pick mowers up.
The 38 and the USP are the only two guns I own that I trust to carry chambered. I just wish I could trust my Glock as much, but I don't.
I'll mostly like just repalce it with a snub nose 7 shot 357 or a USP compact or maybe even a compact 1911.0 -
Antique mowers, that's an odd hobby. Intriguing though... I think you might be better served by trading it off and getting a gun you trust. Get a gun you are comfortable with and you trust. It is true in hunting and even more true for CCW uses.
Glocks are great guns, but again if you don't trust 'em, then they are worthless to ya.0 -
lanlesnee: I feel the same way about Glocks as you do, over the years I've had a model 22, 23 , 26 , 27 got rid of all of them , just never felt right carring without some kind of safty , any way what i ended up with is a Para Ordnance in thir LDA series it has all the safty features of the 1911 type guns , but since its a double action the hammer is always at rest , best of all is that the trigger pull is really nice ,, mine is a 14LDA in 40 S&W holds 11 rounds total, you should take a look at them [;)] 0 -
GENEINNC is correct. I own a 30 and use the push out trigger block. $15.00. Push out with trigger finger, aquire target, neutralize. Been concealed for 10 years, behind the back, pancake holster. 
Mateomasfeo
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It's been awhile... But if memory serves me correctly a Glock is double action, hence there is no cocked hammer, and no need for a safety. There is no safety on a revolver.....why would you need one on a Glock? I carry a Smith copy of a Glock, and have for years. No problems.
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I don't want to start any debates, but to me a Glock is not double action. I think Glock calls it Safe action. My 38 is double action, if I dry fire it and the hammer comes down and then I pull the trigger again the hammer comes back and drops again. I can do this over and over. To me this is double action. If I dry fire my Glock and the hammer comes down, and then I pull the trigger back again, nothing happens. This to me is not double action. Plus the trigger pull is also shorter and lighter vs my 38.
I love my Glocks and I shoot better with them than any other pistol I have. I still don't trust the safety. I trust the gun, I know it will cycle round after round after round. And I would recommend them to anyone, I just make sure they know about the safety.
I do plan to buy more Glocks I just wish they would put an extra thumb safety or better yet a beavertail safety on them or a least make this an option.
GENEINNA, mention an option I would like to know more about. Could you or someone steer me on to a web site. If not I'm sure my local gun shop would know more.
Again Thank you everybody.0
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