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north65
Could a model 65 be ordered for a receiver mount peep sight. I know some Winchesters were drilled later on but not sure about the model 65
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  • north65
    I am going to list a winchester model 65 in 32-20, The gun would be 90% if it did not have receiver finish flaking, Two questions, is the flaking on the receiver common and would $2000.00 be out of line for a starting price. It also comes with a lyman receiver sight.
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  • Bert H.
    No, the reciever flaking is not normal on a Model 65, and NO, it is not worth anywhere near $2000. The Model 65 was introduced in 1933 and discontinued in 1947. The 32 W.C.F. was the most common chambering. In the condition you desribe, you will be lucky to get $1200 for it.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!
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  • only winchesters
    Hello north65: I don't necessarily agree with Bert's assement of the receiver flaking. If your gun is from the 1930s, I've seen too many Winchesters over the years both rifles and shotguns, that were made in the 1930s or earlier where the bluing on the receiver, shows flaking. Since Winchester used one method of bluing for receivers and another for barrels, along with the fact the receiver tends to be a very common "carry point", I would expect it to show more wear than the barrel. Especially on a gun that's been used for hunting as opposed to a true closet queen. The real question, how severe is the flaking? A spot or two or the whole receiver. Also is it uniform, (wearing evenly)?

    Funny thing about Winchesters and prices, you just never know how bad and how long someone has been looking for one to buy. If you list your gun here at GB you could always use the "RESERVE" option. Meaning you can set your reserve at $2000. and if the bidding doesn't reach that point, you don't sell. You can always drop the reserve the second or third relisting in line with the previous high bid if you choose. I do recommend, quilty photos, showing close ups of the receiver, barrel legend, stocks. The best background seems to be pool table felt green or red felt color, makes the gun show up well. Do not use a white sheet, gun appears to dark, or a gray back ground, it washes out the condition of the blue!!

    Regards Dave
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  • joel_black
    I agree with Bert on both the flaking (which is different than wear from handling) and pricing. With receiver flaking and 90% finish on the rest of a 65, I doubt that the much more desirable M 65 .218 Bee would bring $2000.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by only winchesters
    Hello north65: I don't necessarily agree with Bert's assement of the receiver flaking. If your gun is from the 1930s, I've seen too many Winchesters over the years both rifles and shotguns, that were made in the 1930s or earlier where the bluing on the receiver, shows flaking. Since Winchester used one method of bluing for receivers and another for barrels, along with the fact the receiver tends to be a very common "carry point", I would expect it to show more wear than the barrel. Especially on a gun that's been used for hunting as opposed to a true closet queen. The real question, how severe is the flaking? A spot or two or the whole receiver. Also is it uniform, (wearing evenly)?

    Regards Dave


    Dave,

    The notorious "flaking" problem is found on nearly all Winchester rifles (primarily the Model 92 and 94) manufactured from circa 1914 - 1929. It is not usually a result of carrying the gun, and it is almost never uniform in wear.

    That said, by the early 1930s Winchester had figured out and changed their bluing formula for the receiver/frames to prevent that problem. I have very rarely seen a Winchester made after 1933 that has the bluing flaking off of it.

    In the collector world, a Winchester that exhibits the bluing flaking problem is a very tough sell at premium prices. A 90% condition Model 65 in the most common factory chambering (32-20) with no problems is not worth $2000, let alone one that has the noted problems. Frankly, I will be real surprised if it sells for anything above $900.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!
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  • only winchesters
    Hello everyone: I did not say "flaking" was caused by carrying. I said the receiver is also a carrying point, and would expect it to show more blue wear than the barrel. I also asked if the "flaking" was "a spot or two or the whole receiver". I also asked if it displays "a normal wear pattern"? By asking questions, and getting answers it really helps in drawing a conclusion. Of course if pictures were posted, maybe some questions wouldn't have to be asked. "Flaking" can be caused by several factors, the first being the blueing method, 2nd, dirty or contminated tanks, or even insufficient cleaning of the receiver. The later 2 didn't always show up until long after the gun left the factory. Was it wide spread no, how often did it happen, unknown. If anyone thinks Winchester never had to reblue receivers after blueing them once, better take a closer look, reblues were stamped.

    I never offered an opinion on it's worth. Only a suggestion as how to list it. It would be a shame for the seller, not to get as much as the market would bear. Thus my suggestion of using a reserve price on an auction. If one starts out high and lowers the price accordingly, until it sells, it affords the seller the best oppertunity. Kind of tough to raise the price after the fact.

    Of course doing a little research such as what has sold vs what hasn't in the last 90-180 days would be benificial too.

    Regards to all

    Dave
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  • north65
    Thanks all for the info, This is a fine place to gleen information on just about any gun. I really appreciate the help.
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