winchester model 12 super x 3"
I have a winchester mod. 12 Super in a 3" chamber, has solid ribbed 30" barrel . Gun is about 80% blueing with some small scratches in wood. Anyone have a ballpark on the going rate for these?
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Hello gunkeeper: Well without knowing the vintage, (pre-war guns usually bring more)and as long as it's not a 1953 Md 12, in 80% condition could be anywhere from $475 to $900.
Things I would want to know, is it original, (no reblue), what knotch is the adjusting sleeve on, since 99% of all Md 12 Duck guns came with a Full choke, what does it measure? If it's a rare Imp/Mod or Mod. choked gun you can add 25-50% some were made and were special ordered. Does it still have the original duck butt stock, these were shorter than the average field gun, had a lead weight in it, and a Winchester red rubber recoil pad. If I knew the answers, I might be able to give a more accurate value.
Regards Dave0 -
Why the reference to 1953? 0 -
Hello elk: Well Winchester's wisdom, to cut production costs on the Md 12, that year they came out with a "2 piece" or the S bar action slide. It was very simalar to the Md 42 .410 action slide. These had a severe problem in that they BROKE. Some 1953 guns had the action slide replaced. But I still see "original 1953" guns come up for sale. In 1954 they went back to the original action slide, and starting in 1955 they went with the last version, where the rod was brazed onto the action slide. Since the Duck gun uses an action slide different than the standard Md 12 12 ga. I always deduct $100 on a 1953 Md 12 because on the average that's what it cost to get a new action slide. The last Duck action slide I sold went for $118. and it was in average condition, it was the first style. Note: Winchester only tried this on 12 ga. guns.
Regards Dave0 -
good morning only winchester/gunkeeper,
i have been in the market for another early m1200/magnum, mine is worn out. since i haven't been able to find one i am going back to a 1958 m12/heavy duck (almost virgin) this season.
i have been shooting mostly bismuth verse steel, what is your opinion of going with hevi shot in the m12.
my opinion is the w/p barrel will take anything i shoot. am i wrong?
tia, enjoy wednesday,
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Hello mallard: Heavy shot will eventually ruin a Md 12 barrel. The steel shot is harder than the barrel. So everytime you shoot a round, it's like hitting the "Full choke" with a hammer, it will eventually open that full choke up. Goose loads such as T or BBB, it will happen real quick, the shot can't be compressed like lead since it's so hard. Rule of thumb, steel shot is for guns with screw-in-choke tubes. If your Md 12 duck has a Poly Choke or Cutts comp. on it, you can always get replacement parts/tubes for those. Me I wouldn't even consider any steel load through a pre-64 Winchester shotgun.
I switched to Bismuth for waterfowel 10 years ago and haven't shot steel since. Another load is Tungstent/Matrix, very simalar to lead, and is safe for older shotguns, both Federal and Kent make this.
Regards Dave0 -
everything on gun is original, even the blueing. It is a full choke, but i do not have the measurement on it, but will try to get it. the recoil pad is a red rubber. 0 -
i would have to agree completely with only winchesters on the steel shot through a md 12 0 -
Hi Winchester, Would you happen to have the serial #'s on those 1953's so I could check mine? Elk 0 -
Hi Elk: The S bar action slide is easy to see, they have a Flat bottom forarm, as the rod comes out of the receiver, just before the back of the action slide it drops and runs forward. Look at any Md 42 us for auction here, it looks just like a Md 42 but larger. The S bar first appeared in 1953, but some 54s have them also.
Regards Dave0
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