m1a
Does the M1A only come in 7.62 Nato rounds...and from a previous posting I am to assume its the 7.62-54 round?
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SOCOM 16 unfired like new $1700.00 is this a fair price? 0 -
chinese m-1a isnt an m1-a, its a m-1a 'clone.' big difference.
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Here's a page you will find informative and interesting:
http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/
After reading, click on the CMP link.[^]
Frog.
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Chicom m1A is the M14/S. As long as the price is in line, I would take the M14/S over the M1A, based on the fact that they can be built into better rifles. 
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quote:Originally posted by boeboe
Chicom m1A us the M14/S. As long as the price is in line, I would take the M14/S over the M1A, based on the fact that they can be built into better rifles.
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Hey boeboe, how's Kansas? Are you saying that Chicom's M1A is built from an American M14? What does the /S mean? Could you expound upon this subject for my edification....? I'm ignorant here.[?]
Frog.
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Travis
If you are not in a hurry check out the Crossroads Gun show Dec. 2,3 and 4 at the State Fairgrounds. I have an unfired early preban Springfield M1A if you don't find one at the gun show.
Boeboe
Can you explain your preference for the Chinese M14/S?0 -
u.s. milspec M-14's were built to exacting tolerences. many M1-A's today consist of old milpsec parts. the clones are all made of inferior metals. if you have a milspec M-1A, you have a gun that is very well built. footnote, milspec parts were last made in 1970. dont be fooled by others. only a trained eye can point out clone parts. be leary. sa is a compnay that has been known to use milspec parts. i own 2 of them. good guns.
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OK, the original rifle was the US Rifle Model M14. Anyone can call their version M14, M14NM, M14/S, or M14/Z, whatever. However, Springfield Inc. has copyrighted the name "M1A" for their version, so no one else can use that particular name.
It's less confusing to refer to copies of the US Rifle Model M14 as "M14 clones", since that's what they are. None of the clones is made to USGI milspec; some are closer than others, but none is exact. Some are forged like the USGI receivers, most are cast; that probably doesn't matter to most shooters.
Norinco & Polytech both made clones. Some folks are happy with them, but many shooters have had to replace parts. I wouldn't pay > $500 for one, since you may have to spend another $500 to keep it shooting. Personally, I won't buy one on general principle: They were sold "as is"; no warranty, no service, no parts, no nothing. The importers hid their identity. I might buy a $10 beach umbrella from a guy in the back of a truck in the alley, but I sure wouldn't buy a high powered rifle that I am going to fire 2" in front of my face from him. At least, Springfield Inc stand behind their lifetime warranty.
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The Chicom rifles cannot be called M1A, M1A is a trademark owned by Springfield Armory, Inc. The M14/S is the Chinese version of the M1A. As issued, they have no US made parts.
A good site for info on the M1A/M14 styled rifle is
http://battlerifles.ambackforum.com/
The Chicom rifles have a great following amoung serious M14 styled rifle builders and shooters, they can be built into a rifle that is much closer to MIL-SPEC than any M1A. Their receiver is forged, which gives a better starting point to build on than the cast receivers found on the M1A. One of the most well known of the M14 builders is Smith Enterprises. One of their areas of expertise is building the Chicom rifles into the best M14 styled rifles available. They also do work for a great number of Seals who are serious about their arms. A Smith built Chicom M14/S is a rifle built for the most serious shooter. Smith's web site is
http://www.smithenterprise.com/
Others have taken to just taking the Chicom rifles and fitting them with USGI parts to increase their status. The problem with Chicom rifles is not metallurgy, it is dimensional problems, primarily with the bolt. Chinese metallurgy is better than an M1A. Putting a USGI bolt in a Chicom rifle is one place many people start. It is just that too many people have realized, for the price of a US made forged receiver, you can buy a whole darn Chinese rifle and have the forged receiver to boot. From that base, many take the rifle any do wonders with it. Another company that makes money upgrading the M14/S is
http://www.fulton-armory.com/
and there is some decent info there, but remember, they are trying to sell a service.
Now, for me, I don't own a Springfield Armory M1A and I don't own a Chicom M14/S. I own a Smith Ltd M14 in National Match configuration. These are commonly known as "Camp Perry Rifles" because builders like Smith and Maunz sold them by marketing them at Camp Perry, to competition shooters. I don't really need an M14/S or an M1A. But if I was looking to buy one, I would be looking for a Chicom rifle.
As said, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MIL-SPEC M1A, the receivers are cast on all of the M1A rifles. A gun with a cast receiver can never be MIL-SPEC.
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Thank you, boeboe, I see more clearly now. The M1 is not in this circle of consideration. The M1A is a modern gun made by Springfield Armory, Inc., and they manufacture a receiver that is inferior to the Chicom receiver because it is cast instead of forged.
So, for what aztileman wants, his uncle may have happened on to something worth investigating.
Frog.
RiBBButt...You can't rollerskate in a buffalo herd, but you can be happy if you've a mind to. -Roger Miller0 -
A good old adage in coin collecting is "buy the book before you buy the coin"
The same is true of firearms. Knowledge is powerful. I honestly don't claim to be an expert in many things, and there are many, many people who know much more about the M14/M1A rifle than I. I hope that, at least, I can direct people to some really helpful information.
Here are a couple of other good sites to visit, to gain knowledge. I like the second, I actually contributed to this on-line book version, only with respect to magnetic particle inspection (and my Smith Ltd is mentioned in the book).
http://www.m-14forum.com/
http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/book.html
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one point has been totally been overlooked. uniformity. (aka: the uniformed services. uni-form) the goal of a battle rifle is to make it compatable with others next to it for removing and replacing. by having a unique gun, makes it hard for armorers to interchange parts far off in the field. as stated before, usgi parts havent been made for over 30 years, but they will interchange and meet tolerences with more guns of the same design than newer ones. sa knew this and by marketing a gun compatible with usgi parts, they allowed more of their product to be used for more guns already owned. going with chicoms limits you to chicoms and jepordizes uniformity issues in the field. classic point...bring your grandpas gun to the battlefield and odds are an armorer will recognize it and have a book on it and be able to work it. bring some fly by night gun there, and youre sunk when it breaks. in battle all your buddy can do is say 'goodbye, nice knowing you.' i dont know how many chicoms are out there, but in my opinion its too many.
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