LC Smith shotgun
I have a LC dated back to the 1800's It's a double barrel 12 GA. The barrel is 19" long. Some say it's sawed off. LC never made a 19" barrel. If it's sawed off it was done by a master because the bead is there is no sign's at all that it has been compromised. My question is did LC SMITH make a double barrel 12 GA 19" barrel? Brian
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I have a LC Smith shotgun made by Hunter Arms. The serial number is 88420. It is in very good condition. Could someone tell me when it was made and the value? Thanks for the help. 0 -
I saw your duplicate post on lcsmith.org, and in order to give you any semblance of value we (and they) will need a GREAT deal more info, i.e. detailed condition of case color, blue, wood, barrels (inside and out), barrel and stock length, grade, and serial number. In addition, pics would help.
A lot of members would be willing to help, but this info is critical to giving even a ball-park value.0 -
I'm going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt here, but I just got through with a post on antiqueguns where we ran into the same sort of conundrum...
The original post was written in annoying caps, included little information, and never posed a question. The second post emulated the first, but added a bit more useless information. I'll be the first to admit that my replies were barbed.
L.C. Smith... The name reeks of quality. Give me a serial and I can get very close to the year of production AS LONG AS YOU PROVIDE A COMPLETE DESCRIPTION ALONG WITH IT!
Why? An easy answer. Elcee serials were sometimes re-used and are quite confusing.
Value? Based on overall condition, grade, and gauge with a bit added or subtracted due to the exact model or period in which the gun was produced.
It would seem to me that anyone with the energy to post on multiple boards would have the energy to formulate a complete description of the piece or ask for exactly what was needed in order to get a proper answer. Am I missing something here?
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quote:Originally posted by nord
I'm going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt here, but I just got through with a post on antiqueguns where we ran into the same sort of conundrum...
The original post was written in annoying caps, included little information, and never posed a question. The second post emulated the first, but added a bit more useless information. I'll be the first to admit that my replies were barbed.
Nord
Hmmmm... I think I may need to go perform some judicious editing or poofing over on that "other" forum[:0][}:)][:D]
As a side comment, it sure doesn't take very much adversity to get both of you so called L.C. Smith "experts" panties in a wad now does it[?][;)][:D]
Bert H.
Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!0 -
Yo Poofmeister...
Always a pleasure to give an UNBIASED opinion about Winchesters[xx(] and a truthful answer to questions about the greatest scatterguns ever made... L.C. SMITH![;)]
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Nord, please lighten up on Bert----anyone who would become obsessed with Winchester's answer to JABC's needs simpathy, not criticism ! 0 -
Oops! Sorry.[;)]
Nord0 -
Well well now... it looks like this might turn out to be a fair contest afterall... two "low-brow" L.C. Smith weenies trying to best a single Winchester Model 21 afficionado[}:)]
It is just too bad that you guys (Mr. Maroon and Baffoon respectively) resemble old Elmer J. Fudd so much... what with his bumbling habits, and crooked barreled old L.C. Smith, he never did manage to nab Daffy or Bugs with that POS scattergun. Now, if he had been equipped with a real shotgun (e.g. a Winchester Model 21), he would have bagged that pair of varmints long ago[:D]
Bert H.
Real Men use a WINCHESTER Single-Shot!0 -
quote:Originally posted by sbruno
We were given a 12 gauge double barrel LC Smith shotgun, double
triggers, field grade. It is an older gun, not sure of the year.
Does anyone know what this is worth?
Nord0 -
Really don't know what happened above...
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I regret to inform you that we Elcee aficionados actually use our scatterguns for the purpose intended. Unlike the M-21, even the plainest Elcee is a beautiful work of art. Elcee products were designed not to need fancy inlays and gilding. Of course that Grand American I showed you was pretty impressive... As long as you kept the beautiful leather case closed and imagined a Elcee inside.
Elcee folks use things called shotgun shells that we load in our guns. We then shoot at (and hit) targets of our choice. Unlike you we don't use our guns as clubs, though I must admit the M-21 does somewhat resemble a coal shovel attached to a black iron pipe.[xx(]
I fully understand your confusion between cartoon characters and the real world as it would appear that you've been living in Fantasy Land for quite a spell now. I'll be sending another can of gold spray paint your way so you can gussy up another 21 and pretend it somehow resembles even the least of the L.C. Smith's.[:I]
My best from the REAL WORLD.
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---- and I'll even throw in some brass tacks for the stock and perhaps a Raybar glow-in-the-dark front sight. Those Sterlingworth lookalikes (no offense to you Fox guys) need all the help they can get ! 0 -
Welcome to the forum sbruno: I hope our "experts" haven't scared you away. What they are all trying to say, is much more info is required to even come close to giving you a value. Right now, all I can tell you you with the info given somewhere from about $300-$20,000. It all depends on Grade, Barrel length, chokes,and most of all CONDITION!
Now for the banter between the rest of you, I will say the first SxS I ever bought was an old Elcee "Field Grade" (Happy Nord?) I will say this, I felt like Elmer Fudd, the first time I went hunting with it, (Happy Bert?) I couldn't hit any silly wabbits I shot at! But then again that was some 30 plus years ago! I've improved some since. Finally after years of saving a few years ago I did get my first Md 21, a "Duck". First time out was certainly more succesful than with the old elcee. A 14lb. Honker! Of course shooting a honker in the air is much easier than trying to hit a rabbit on the run on the ground. But that's a different story, LOL!
I do believe Frank Parker, told John Olin, that the Md 21 "was a nice gun, but those stocks make it look like a canoe paddle"! John then had the stocks redesigned. So Nord you aren't far off!
What both guns have in common are both were built by craftsmen! Most SxS's are a work of art and engineering. Especially when you consider what they had available to use in manufacturing, from the turn of the century to WWII. Although Winchester was a late bloomer into the SxS market, they did continue long after the LC Smith, Parker, Fox and others went under.
From a engineering design point of view, it's no contest between the Elcee and Winnie! From a manufacturing point of view the elcee was certainly easier to produce and the total numbers produced confirm that.
Bottom line, if I had the oppertunity to get a nice one, of either make, I wouldn't turn it down, both as I said before can be a work of art and engineering! Just a niece piece of history from a by gone era!!
Regards to all!
Dave0 -
Stop it, Dave!!!
The last thing we want here is a balanced opinion.[:)]
Nord0 -
Geez.....the Captain must be in a mellow mood lettin' you Elsie and Winnie guys ramble on.....[:D]
Jus' sittin' here with my old Crescent.... [:)]0
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