Mannlicher Stock
Does a mannlicher stock affect accuracy? seems that a free floating barrel is what most people like for accuracy and a mannlicher looks like it would be bedded all the way down. i like the looks of them, but don't want something that doesn't shoot well.
I'm not an expert, but i did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I'm not an expert, but i did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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you can free float a manlicher just like any other rifle.
Ben
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Mannlicher stocks were not built for accuracy as we expect rifles today, but most will put three rounds inside 1 1/2" @100 yds. with the right load/optics. Once the barrel gets hot, then accuracy gets poor, but for a hunting rifle, you can't beat the looks & feel. The traditional Mannlicher-Schuneur, or Mauser with a spoon handle, and even the newer Ruger RSI look great, and have an appeal that I have never fully understood. Tim @ Classic Checkering
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I have a Custom built full sock 6.5x55 built on a Swede 96. It's etensively modified including great English Walnut. It's barrel is floated and a steel rod embedded in epoxy in the forearm to keep it straight. It shoots 160 Horndy round noses into 3/4 inch...100yds...10 shots...from a cold clean barrel to a heated up one at the end of 10 shots. They can be made to shoot. 0 -
Does anyone know if the CZ line of Full stock rifles are free floated? I want one of the little 22 mannlichers.
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those are what i was looking at in 222.
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I don't think the CZ line is floated, most full stocks aren't. They may shoot well anyhow and if the fore end isn't paper thin it could probably be floated if it didn't. I used the steel rod to make sure the stock still didn't move and touch the barrel. I don't leave much gap when I free float. 0 -
Bart,
The term 'mannlicher' is really a misnomer because it represents the primary name or a part of names for commercial firearms manufacturers such as:
Mannlicher
Mannlicher-Schoenauer
Steyr-Mannlicher
As far as the Germans and Austrians are concerned, the correct term for a full stock rifle is stutzen.
"Does a mannlicher stock affect accuracy?"
Any stock can affect accuracy depending on how the stock is handled in relationship to the rest of the firearm. With a full stock rifle, there is slightly more potential for the forearm to interfere with the ability of the rifle to perform accurately, simply because there is more forearm. You also have to take into account that we need to put a sling swivel someplace so that will have an effect on the rifle as well. Then there is the chance that the manufacturer or builder will use a barrel band alone or in conjunction with an escutchen in the forearm also. The last thing to consider is the nose cap and how it fits to the barrel and the forearm. Generally this is a pressure point which was considered to be a good thing with regard to the stutzen stock pattern but it can be handled in a neutral manner too. All of these variations can and will cause a difference in the harmonics of a barrel. But these barrels are short, somewhere between 17-1/2" and 22". So if the barrel maker has done his job correctly and stress relieved the barrel then the barrel should perform up to the accuracy level required by this style of rifle.
Originally, all rifles coming out of Europe, which includes the full stock rifles, had the barrel channel scrape inletted to fit exactly. There wasn't any bedding compound that got used but the stock was in full contact with the receiver and the barrel by careful inletting. These rifles were meant for the military and for hunting, definitely not for target shooting so the accuracy was commensurate with the use.
I have found that stutzen style rifles respond better to a fully bedded barrel and nose cap as opposed to the idea of trying to free float the barrel. This style wasn't meant to be free floated. It's a short stubby barrel contained by the stock to be used in combat or in the field.
This idea of free floating has become so pervasive that most of us think that the concept should be applied to all rifles in order to achieve the highest degree of accuracy. Be advised that it doesn't apply to stutzen style rifles.
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Granted full stock rifles were meant to be either bedded the whole way or with a pressure point at the tip or even both. At one time it was a given that ALL rifles needed bedded the whole way and with a built in pressure point with upward pressure in the 15 to 17 lb. range. This has proven over time to not be the most desirable condition for year round continous accuracy. Also all stocks will move including glass ones...maybe not as much as wood but a great deal more than most people realize. the factories leave a rather large gap around barrels when the float them for that reason. I have mine kept closer, a very small amount because it looks better to me. that is why i used the steel rod insert i mentioned. That rifle is very accurate keeping in mind those are round nose hunting bullets. I fired 2 or 3 10 shots groups out of that rifle every week for a year that encompassed all the seasons. it dosn't change point of impact nor group size. 0 -
I found this description to be interesting since it concerns a new (current) production rifle:
Sauer S202 Stutzen
"The traditional short bolt-action rifle for driven and mountain hunts. The easy-carrying Stutzen is brilliant at shooting precision: The free play of the forearm in the front metal cap and the internal rubber pads guarantee complete floating of the barrel."
* The one-piece stock ensures the rifle is firmly-based on hard surfaces.
* The muzzle brake in calibre 9.3x62 reduces recoil and rebound of the muzzle.0
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