Pietta'a Buntline
Looking around at BP guns around the net and looking at conversion kits with which to piece together, possibly at some later time, a clint eastwood kinda cowboy gun for myself, I saw a Pietta 12" 44 cal. It is probably the wyatt earp gun, colt. The problem with it is that it has a brass frame.
Conversion aside, I was wondering what sort of other black powder pistol would accept this barrel properly in order to even have the 44 cal last a few years. What I am starting to find out is that it isn't really a good idea to shoot brass framed weapons for long. I sure don't want to lose a finger/hand or get a piece of shrapnel in my face or forehead.
Does any one have any experience in this sort of thing that could give me some concrete answers or good pointers about the subject?
Here's another question that I would like to ask:
With these conversion kits on the market, I was wondering if relaoding had to be carried out with the cylinder removed or is there really enough room in the side indentation to facilitate brass removal and reloading?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me out here a little.
Scott
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Conversion aside, I was wondering what sort of other black powder pistol would accept this barrel properly in order to even have the 44 cal last a few years. What I am starting to find out is that it isn't really a good idea to shoot brass framed weapons for long. I sure don't want to lose a finger/hand or get a piece of shrapnel in my face or forehead.
Does any one have any experience in this sort of thing that could give me some concrete answers or good pointers about the subject?
Here's another question that I would like to ask:
With these conversion kits on the market, I was wondering if relaoding had to be carried out with the cylinder removed or is there really enough room in the side indentation to facilitate brass removal and reloading?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me out here a little.
Scott
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I don't have any experience with the cheaper brass framed Remington BP New Model Army reproductions or the brass frame BP Colt Navy or Army types, the so called "Reb" versions, but its my understanding that they are pretty weak. The conversion cylinder makers all say not to use a brass frame revolver with their cylinders, but rather only use the better steel framed ones like those available from Navy Arms, EMF and Stoeger (which are all Uberti made) or from Traditions (which are Pietta's steel frame versions I believe).
I own an Uberti made Remington New Model Army BP .44 which came from Navy Arms and I purchased both an R&D Conversion cylinder which is the type that has a removable back plate that contains 6 firing pins in the same locations as the percussion cap nipples on the back of the BP cylinder. These cylinders have to be removed from the gun like in "Pale Rider". Then you take the firing pin plate off of the back of it and load the cartridges (.45 Colt) or unload the empties as the case may be and then put it back together and then put it back in the gun to shoot. I also own a Kirst Kartridge Konverter version which consists of a conversion ring (which contains one free floating spring loaded firing pin at the top which is struck by the flat nosed hammer) and a shortened cylinder. Mine is a
6-shot .45ACP cylinder which they don't actually make anymore. Now they make a 5-shot because to get them to be SASS legal, Kirst changed them to a 5 shot cylinder with a hammer dead space in place of the 6th chamber for safety. Although they did start making a
6-shot cylinder for the Ruger Old Army. I did not modify my gun by enlarging the "loading" channel on the right side of the recoil shield, so I have to remove the cylinder "Pale Rider" style to load and unload. But, Kirst does make a conversion kit that includes a ported conversion ring with loading gate and comes with instructions and a template that shows you how to properly enlarge the loading channel and install the conversion ring with loading gate so you can load without removing the cylinder. And they also have a sliding ejector rod that you can attach to the right side of the barrel for unloading just like Colt SAA style case ejection.
Here's some links to places to buy the revolvers and the two different types of cylinders that I know of.
http://www.fcsutler.com/fccwrevolvers.asp
http://www.riverjunction.com/kirst/index.html
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Thanks for that response!
Nice links.
Does anyone else have anything to add?
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I have a Pietta '58 that I got from Cabella's back in the late 1990's, as well as the R&D .45 Colt conversion cylinder. A buddy of mine has a couple of them from about the same time frame, along with both the R&D and Kirst conversion cylinders in .45 Colt. We've run a lot of cowboy .45 Colt loads through them with no problems as far as durability.
We did have a little problem with Pietta's shaving lead when using the .45 Colt loads, but using a 11 degree reamer on the forcing cone cured this problem. My Pietta actually shoots the .45 Colt loads much more accurately than any of the .44 cap & ball loads I've ever tried.
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Yeah, they're a lot of fun. I've never had any durability problems with my Uberti Remington or either the R&D cylinder or the Kirst Konverter. This gun is actually my second most accurate cowboy gun. My most accurate being my Uberti 1851 Colt Navy factory cartridge conversion in .38Spl. I love cartridge conversions!
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This one won't make ya feel like Clint.
Wyatt Earp maybe,but not Clint.
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1873-buntline.tpl
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Originally posted by Fourth Horseman
Yeah, they're a lot of fun. I've never had any durability problems with my Uberti Remington or either the R&D cylinder or the Kirst Konverter. This gun is actually my second most accurate cowboy gun. My most accurate being my Uberti 1851 Colt Navy factory cartridge conversion in .38Spl. I love cartridge conversions!
Actually it would be nice to take that Wyatt Earp barrel and place it on a Uberti frame, but I understand that it wouldn't work out. I found a perfect conversion kit for my .36 with a loading gate, but I have a brass framed weapon someone gave me for my 50thbd. The conversion kit is for 38 LC, not special though.
hey there Horseman, I posted a want ad about FN 5.7 stuff. Lotsa readers but no responses. Do you think I scared evryone off? I was asking if anyone had any SS190 (the bad boy) ammo. I wanted to get a box or two for some future unforeseeable emergency. I know that they are banned rounds, but there is a time stamp on the ban thanks to the US Customs freaking out on the loading docks in NY. I figure lot numbers would make at least some of it still movable. I guess not.
It just stinks that there are some subjects these days that we dare discuss in the open for fear of reprisal.
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Originally posted by BOBBYWINS
This one won't make ya feel like Clint.
Wyatt Earp maybe,but not Clint.
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/1873-buntline.tpl
Yeah, I saw that one out there... 18"bbl hehehe.
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quote:Originally posted by amsptcds Originally posted by Fourth Horseman
Yeah, they're a lot of fun. I've never had any durability problems with my Uberti Remington or either the R&D cylinder or the Kirst Konverter. This gun is actually my second most accurate cowboy gun. My most accurate being my Uberti 1851 Colt Navy factory cartridge conversion in .38Spl. I love cartridge conversions!
Actually it would be nice to take that Wyatt Earp barrel and place it on a Uberti frame, but I understand that it wouldn't work out. I found a perfect conversion kit for my .36 with a loading gate, but I have a brass framed weapon someone gave me for my 50thbd. The conversion kit is for 38 LC, not special though.
hey there Horseman, I posted a want ad about FN 5.7 stuff. Lotsa readers but no responses. Do you think I scared evryone off? I was asking if anyone had any SS190 (the bad boy) ammo. I wanted to get a box or two for some future unforeseeable emergency. I know that they are banned rounds, but there is a time stamp on the ban thanks to the US Customs freaking out on the loading docks in NY. I figure lot numbers would make at least some of it still movable. I guess not.
It just stinks that there are some subjects these days that we dare discuss in the open for fear of reprisal.
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Sorry, I don't know anything about FN 5.7 stuff or SS190 ammo.
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