auto ejectors on revolvers, revisited
as we all know decades ago, even the cheapo iver johnson tip ups had em.
so, has anyone figured out to date how to have auto ejectors on a wheel gun with a crane that opens to one side?
so, has anyone figured out to date how to have auto ejectors on a wheel gun with a crane that opens to one side?
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How would you close the crane once you reload?
Daniel.0 -
well, lets see, how did you reload when a s&w or i.j. tip up ejected its shells? A: it was spring loaded.
so my querry is in effect, has anyone invented a spring loaded ejector that is activated when the crane is swung and snaps back when it ejects?
its fun being retired, sitting around pondering inventions.[8D]
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.0 -
The orginal tip-up design was better than the crane on the side. Just as Beta was better than VHS.
Unfortuntely, the locking catch on the tip-ups was the one weak part of the design as offered to the public. So that weak catch would break or even "tip-up" at times when it caused serious problems for the user. So it fell to the way-side in regards to the side loading crane design.
IMHO there is not reasonable way to make a side loading crane design ever have an auto ejection.
I just wish some major manufacturer would redesign and sell a perfected tip-up pistol. You then would have automatic ejection, have complete and open access to all the cylinders for easy reloading and the cylinder and barrell would ALWAYS be aligned.
JMHO
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Actually, the Smith & Wesson "tip up" designs were their No.1, No.2 and No.1-1/2 revolvers (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36833671) and they did not have auto ejection. These revolvers had their hinge at the front of the top strap and their latch under the barrel and you opened them up and removed the cylinder to load and unload. A forward pointing prong on the frame under the barrel of later models (not shown on the example above) was the very manual unloading or "ejector" rod.
Smith & Wesson's first revolver with auto ejection was their No.3 revolver and its decendants and they had auto ejection and were top break, tip down revolvers, not tip up (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36677949). The hinge was under the barrel in front of the cylinder and they broke at the top with the latch at the rear of the top strap. The barrel then tipped down. A spring loaded, cammed rod in the barrel lug pushed the auto ejector with star extractor plate out from the back of the cylinder as the revolver was opened, ejecting the cases. Then at a certain point near fully opened, a catch released the spring and the star extractor plate snapped back into place on the back of the cylinder and you could then reload.
The Webleys and other British revolvers with auto ejection were also top break types which basically copied the Smith & Wesson design. The H&Rs and others like it and many Russian and Belgian revolvers were copies of Smith & Wesson's top break tip down revolvers.
I believe it should be possible to make a swing out cylinder revolver with auto ejection but it would be complicated and thus impractical and IMHO totally unnecessary.
I would very much like to see someone make a new double action, top break, tip down revolver with auto ejection. If the latch and hinge are properly designed as on the Webley Mk.IV and Mk.VI (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36762906), then they can be just as strong as a swing out cylinder revolver.
I own three Uberti made reproductions of Smith & Wesson No.3 revolvers (a .45 Schofield w/ 7" barrel which is actually chambered for .45 Colt, a .45 Schofield w/ 5" barrel also actually in .45 Colt and a .44 Russian 3rd model w/ 6" barrel which is actually chambered for .44Spl.) and I absolutely love them. They are however all single actions and I would love to see someone either reproduce the Smith & Wesson .44DA top break revolver (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36862424) or the Webley Mk.VI (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36877549) but in modern calibers or come out with a completely new double action revolver like them but in modern calibers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
well, lets see, how did you reload when a s&w or i.j. tip up ejected its shells? A: it was spring loaded.
so my querry is in effect, has anyone invented a spring loaded ejector that is activated when the crane is swung and snaps back when it ejects?
its fun being retired, sitting around pondering inventions.[8D]
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound sarcastic. I'm really having a hard time figuring out how it could work.
I was actually looking at my wife's M60 LadySmith (it was close by) trying to picture it and I got in trouble: "What are you doing with my gun?" LOL...
Daniel.0 -
never a moment passed where i thought you were sarcastic.[:)]
but now you see how inviting the thought of making it work really is!
it starts with picking up the gun and looking at it! then all of a sudden it will hit you and bingo....you got it, and youre a millionare!0 -
I don't want to dampen creativity but the big difference is you need force to break free and eject five or six fired shells. In a top break revolver, shotgun or rifle you have it, either in cocking a heavy ejector spring or in providing leverage to cam out the ejector rod. Sufficient force has to be generated somewhere else than in the unlatching of a swingout cylinder. If it weren't, it would be a bear to open because of a much reduced leverage compared to a top break.
Some shotgun locking systems could make for stronger top breaks than past arrangements but they would be bulkier.0 -
put on your thinking caps!
nothing in this world cant be done....[;)]0 -
If I were going to do it, I would build a mechanism in the crane that would cock a spring to eject the empties. I would drill a gas port into the barrel like a gas operated firearm and let the gas cock the ejector mechanism as the revolver is fired. I would have a cam to release the ejector when the cylinder is opened. 0 -
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this is why i like the expert room more than the gen-discuss room. thanks for all your inputs![^]0 -
Yeah, they are talking about you over there... 0
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