Air Force rifle qual
Anyone happen to know what course of fire the Air Force uses for rifle qualification? A friend is looking to get her "expert" ribbon, and wants some private instruction. I'll post in the General area as well.
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af quals are done on the 25yd line with reduced targets. no wind doping required. its not really a qual, its sorta like...bang, oh look at me! i hit it, gimmie that ribbon.[:D]
where do you live? i can teach it. email me.
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Codenamepaul,
I just read on their website that Air Force rifle qualification is 40 rounds fired at a man-size target from the prone-supported position @ 300m. I don't know if this is the full size or waist up type silouette. Anyhow, according to the website you must hit the target 20 times to qualify and 35 to attain the rank of expert.
If I may offer a suggestion. Assuming you are on a range with the weapon pointed downrange safely ready fire. When shooting standard peep sights you will notice first there is a lot of room between the rear aperature(peep) and the front sight post. However, when looking at clear sky through just the peep you will notice a small white spot in the center. This is an optical illusion created by the inability of your eye to adjust for paralax inside the ring. We called this the ghost. Center the rear sight for windage. As you shoot, find the ghost, center the ghost, bring the front sight post to the middle of the ghost, bring that to the center of the target. You are now at the point you should fire. This is the time to check your natural point of aim. Briefly close your eyes. When you open them you should be on target, if not, ADJUST YOUR BODY so that the sights are as close as you can to being on the target. When there, do the check again. When you are on the target begin firing. Each time you change position do this procedure.
When I was in and we carried the 16A1's there was a notch cut in the top of the front sight post. I used this to refine my sight picture. When I finally learned how to shoot the M16A1 I easily shot expert every time as opposed to struggling to make it. I had to shoot expert to stay in the Rangers which at that time was 36 out of 40 varying distances of pop-up targets. I shot several perfect scores while having to re-qualify each quarter. I did this time and again with a particularly ugly General Motors made rifle. -Good luck to your friend, I hope this is of some use.
Edited 9-4-05
This is the site I got my information from
http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/airforcejoin/a/afm16range.htm If this is incorrect I apologize. However, I do believe Lackland AFB has a 300m range open....where they hold basic training and a number of Air Force schools. As mentioned above I never qualified on an Air Force range to Air Force standards nor did I work up to Navy Standards. I did get the chance to work with the Marines and shooting to 500 yds was a good thing to learn. KD ranges have a purpose that I think was lost on the Army.
Codenamepaul, if you were a member of a shooting team, you would be as qualified as aqny of us to teach your friend. As long as you understand the "what happened that time?" thing and "this is how we correct it." -good luck
FYI-this won't work well with target sights, the aperature is too small and long in depth. The ghost is too hard to attain and maintain during aquisition of the front sight post. With a globe it doesn't matter. It is a superior sighting system anyhow.
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i challange anyone to find a afb 300m range thats still open and not closed due to epa regs. not in mass anyway! there was a wave of closings in the late 90's. wiped half the ranges off the bases.
wow, 40 prone shots. thats HARD.[:D]
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I have a tendancy to believe Bob is right its probably the AQT with simulated distances (reduced targets) no dope adjustment. I said on the other post that she would learn correctly to use the BRASS method on a KD course. The one I taught in the Marines as a PMI.
Sandwarrior-thanks for the advice. I don't shoot ghost but it was a huge subject of debate on the rifle team. I think it has been proven (at least in my mind) that groups are tighter with a clear front sight post. You could tell ghost shooters at the matches with fewer 10x's. Still very good scores, but looser grouping. I have shot the pop-ups a couple of times while on active duty (these were at Ft. Pickett, VA-if I remember) and most of the Marines shot possibles. I think alot of it had to do with knowing wind and dope, and being used to the KD course.
Thanks for the help guys!!!
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down here in va, most af guys go to ft lee or ft eustis to qual using the army ranges. they have more active pop up courses which are more useful. the navy is kinda always booked at AMPHIB base lcrk, with their 100yds range. i will once again...look into all of it for you![:)]
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code...
go to this website...
www.usnst.org.
they are my old buddies. click on the left and post a question or click a board member. odds are you will get a fast response. tell em ole chief ski dist pistol from the 96 LANTFLT team sent ya.
they should be able to dig up a contact for air force. in the meantime, im still looking.[8D]
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Bobski,
You are correct. When I did the search it put me in page two of a three page write-up and I didn't realize it. The Lackland range for basic trainees is a 25m range with sillouettes scaled down to represent the torso and head of a man @ 300m.
As I read further they broke it down to 10-prone supported, 10- prone unsupported, 10-kneeling supported, and 10-over barricade supported shots. If they use the standard 30" torso as a model the sillouettes should be between 2-2.5" @ 25m.
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ah lackland. great base! our team use to berth at the navy annex. they have a great skeet club that is right on the hwy. cars are so close, they can watch the shooters as they go by. now thats a shooter friendly range!
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Air Force rifle qual. is 300 rounds at 100 yds. in various positions including prone, kneeling, sitting and standing both slow and rapid fire with the 30 M 1 carbine! Oh,it's not 1962 anymore is it! I scored 289 out of a possible 300. March 1962 Lackland AFB
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I'm using my Fred's rifleman targets to get her trained up (Army AQT). She'll be using my M-1A (iffin I don't buy an AR before hand)
Thanks for all the help guys-Bob e-mail me when your in the area anyway. Ammo and steaks on me.
Paul
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if youre shooting 100yd, ensure you click that M1A all the way down to battlesight zero! have fun! btw. prime chuck is my favorite!![:p]
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