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bperdue21
well in virginia, a bullet has to be 23 caliber or higher for big game. the reason behind this as i see it is to exclude 22 caliber bullets, but there are no 23 caliber bullets. so why don't they say .243 or 6mm. but getting to my main point, why is there no .23 caliber bullet? seems like it could have some good ballistic potential. also, why no 29 caliber?

I'm not an expert, but i did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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  • Bert H.
    Hmmm... What about the .236 caliber Lee Navy. Don't know about anything in the .290 class, but then again, I just can't see where it would be much of an improvement over the 7mm (.284) bullet design.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • JAK71454
    what about the 7.4MM Rimmed Western?, isn't 7.4mm about .29 caliber?

    Jim Kammerer
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  • bperdue21
    those are solme pretty old cartridges. were they just not popular or why did they quit making them?

    I'm not an expert, but i did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by bperdue21
    those are solme pretty old cartridges. were they just not popular or why did they quit making them?

    I'm not an expert, but i did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.


    The .236 Lee faded away due to the more modern rimless cartridges designed for the current crop of bolt-action rifles. It is a good cartridge ballistically.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • Hunter375
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    [brThe .236 Lee faded away due to the more modern rimless cartridges designed for the current crop of bolt-action rifles. It is a good cartridge ballistically.




    Wasn't the .236 Lee actually 6mm caliber, the older rimmed version of the later semi-rimmed 6mm Lee Navy that parented the 220 Swift?

    Save the seals-club a liberal instead.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by Hunter375

    Wasn't the .236 Lee actually 6mm caliber, the older rimmed version of the later semi-rimmed 6mm Lee Navy that parented the 220 Swift?


    Back in the year 1895, the metric system was not commonly used in the United States, so the cartridges were typically named based on their actual diameter in inches. The .236 Lee Navy is a true 6mm though (6mm = .23622-inches), and yes, it was the parent of the semi-rimmed 6mm Lee Navy.

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • sandwarrior
    BertH,



    I was under the impression that the 6mm Lee Navy and the .236 Navy were one in the same and the .236 designation was actually the land to land measurement instead of the groove to groove. http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/riflelist1.htm Is a good information site for this and other potential .23 cal hopefuls. I also highly recommend going to www.spanamwar.com for a good dose of how effective the 6mm Lee Navy really was,.. and it's shortcomings.

    The round faded into the past because of the development of the
    30-06. It was felt that since it was the bigger and badder 30 cal version of the 7mm mauser it would reign supreme. Other drawbacks it suffered were an extremely heavy round for a 6mm, not quite perfected smokeless powder, both of which led to excessive barrel wear, and a rifle platform that could have used some big improvements. Nevertheless, the Marines succeded well with this rifle while the Army didn't fare nearly as well in it's battles using the Krag-Jorgenson 30-40 Krag and the .45-70 Springfields. Tactics, of which training is a large part, also played a major role in the success of the 6mm Lee Navy.

    Personally, I think it was a round way too far ahead of its time for anyone in military ordnance to realize it's potential. A round that, in a modern bolt action(definately not the straight pull it was chambered in), would be close to the .243 and the 6mm Rem. which, incidentally are derived because of it. Warren Page and Fred Huntington were both fans of it using bolt actions and loaded it up to it's potential. -just my thought rambling on...have fun researching

    Edit;
    Here in Minnesota it is specific that you must hunt big game with a cartridge of .24 cal or larger.


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  • bobski
    all the about are excellent facts about ballistics, but one must remember that when you deal with law, its best to ensure all bases are covered for current and FUTURE development, so if it ever did occur that a 23 cal bullet was invented, law will be in place and wont have to be rewritten. afterall, thats a good thing. last thing we want is lawyers making new laws when all we want them to do now is enforce the ones we already have.[;)]
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