Absence of quality single shot break open riflesl
Whay are there no high quality single shots out there for less than $4,000.00?? The Blaser K-95 is a sweet rifle and I would grab one up if they were not 4K--What gives? Kimber, Sako and others make high quality bolt guns for much less-is it that difficult to make a single shot? I would love to have lightweight,synthetic,stainless break open type single shot for hunting but 4 grand! Don't think so!!
Anyway, Is there such a rifle out there?
Thanks
Joe
Anyway, Is there such a rifle out there?
Thanks
Joe
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Manufacturers are in business to make money. If there's no demand for their product in the marketplace, they can't make money, and go belly up.
Expensive break open single shot rifles aren't in demand on the U.S. market. The last manufacturer who tried making them, was Thompson Center in the 80's. They introduced/manufactured ( 2 ) different models over a period of approximately 10 years, before throwing in the towel.
If anybody could have been successful making/selling break open single shots it would have been T.C., witness the success the Contender has been for them over the years.
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Whats wrong with a Ruger #1 ??? Under $700.00.
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quote:Originally posted by duckhunter
Whats wrong with a Ruger #1 ??? Under $700.00.
I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.
That is a BIG ditto[:)]. Winchester is also making a modern version of their venerable Model 1885, and it goes for way less than $4k[^][:p][^]
Bert H.
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It depends on your definition of "Quality".....I wouldn't put a Ruger #1 in the same catagory as a Blazer or Dakota Model 10.
Fit,finish, and machine work of a Dakota makes the Ruger look like something from Walmart. (Sorry, didn't mean to get the Walmart bashing stirred up). Money buys quality, less money and you get something far less in quality. If you want the best, you'll have to pay up....yes, they are in the $4000 range.
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I have to ditto on the Ruger #1. They are awfully nice guns. I have had 3 of them, and they shot fine, and I thought they were nice looking guns. The difference between a Dakota and a Ruger is about the same difference as a Ford and a Lincoln. They will both get you want to go. If you're hellbent on buying a Dakota then don't whine about paying the bucks. 0 -
You can buy a Dakota 10 action from Brownell's for the paltry sum of $1700. You can also buy a Dakota 10 for less than 4 grand. I've done it. You can also import a Martini-Hagn from Canada for less than 4 grand, I've done it.
AlleninAlaska
Delta Firearms & Supplies
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the ruger#1 isn't a bad rifle. and you can get a custom one with the off the wall russian (circassian) walnut and engraving for less than that, and it will probably shoot just as good. the standard ruger number one is a high quality rifle. comes in stainless laminated and will do everything you could want it to do.
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I must of missed something here? The original poster who started this thread was bemoaning the "Absence of quality single shot break open rifles".
To the best of my knowledge, Ruger #1's and Dakota's have a dropping block action, not the "break open" action of the old high quality European single shot Stalking Rifles, the guy was talking about.0 -
the new england handi rifle is the type of rifle you speak of. get one for under $200 if you know where to look. you might be able to get it to shoot 1" or better at 100 yards. in terms of quality, i guess you could probably beat it against the rocks and trees and it could stand up to a rainstorm or blizzard. it would still shoot. run it over with a truck, it would still shoot. i would say that is quality. maybe not good looking or have the accuracy of a $4000 rifle, but the quality is still there.
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I agree,Handi-Rifle is a bargain when you consider what it is and what it cost. 0 -
Gentlemen, it sounds like Philos wants a single shot break top action and not a falling block style rifle. At least thats the way I read his question. The Blazer model 95 he mentioned is a very fancy top break action. This gun is a fine example.
http://huntinggearauction.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?item=35560467
I have felt the same way he does for years, so if you will forgive the rant, I'll jump up on my soapbox for just a minute.[:)]
T/C had one in the 80's called the Thompson/Center 83 model and then later the 87 model. These were really beautiful guns and I couldnt wait to get my hands on one. After all, I already had 3 T/C Contenders and dozens of barrels for them. I figured with both shotgun and rifle barrels available, it would be the last gun I would ever need to buy for hunting. Not that I would ever slow down my gun buying habbit, but it's a nice thought[:D].
Now T/C does have a fantastic reputation, but werent able to get the rifles to sell because this was a really bad design. I have one that I keep in the back of my gunsafe simply to remind me not to buy sight unseen. Here are the problems that the gun had and why T/C wasnt able to get anyone excited about them:
1. Interchangable barrels were sold in a wide variety of calibers. Unfortunatly, they often were made with slightly oversize mono blocks and had to be fitted to the gun at ther factory. Kind of a spoiler for a gun advertised as one with interchangable barrels. When I recieved my gun new in the box, the barrel would not lock up and fire. For a brand new gun from the T/C Custom shop, I thought this was unforgivable.[}:)]
2. The safety was a total disaster in that you actually had to depress TWO buttons simultaniously, one small button at the front of the trigger gaurd and then the cross bolt safety. To add insult to injury, the safety on my gun requires almost 25 pounds of pressure to push it from safe to fire.
3. The trigger is swept way to far back for use on a rifle and the one on my gun takes between 12 and 16 pounds of pull to fire the gun. T/C is not willing to modify the trigger or safety in any way.
4. The stock design was very poor in most peoples opinion. The pistol grip was to thin, to swept and the stock had far to much drop for a rifle. Everyone that I have shown this rifle to had exactly the same complaints without any comment or prompting from me.
A trip back to the factory to have the barrel fitted to the action corrected that problem, but the safety and trigger problems remain unchanged. [V]
End of rant.
Philos, I really do think a single shot break action with interchangable barrels would sell like hot cakes IF it were made right. Mossberg has the SSI One on the market right now, but I have no idea how it is selling. The selection of barrels is to small to get me interested right now. I have thought seriously about building such a gun and this is what I have come up with:
1. Use the Browning BT-99 Trap shotgun as the basis for a rifle. The action is brute strong and the mono block construction of the barrel would make this easy. Screw out the shotgun barrel and the rib and install a rifle barrel. Of course it would take more than this, but you get the idea. The Browning custom shop already builds such a rifle in O/U form on the Superposed action, but has been unwilling to do it for me on a BT-99 because it has no manual saftey.
2. Get yourself a used Savage Model 219/220 here on GB and start a collection of barrels. This gun was sold as the 219 with rifle barrels and the 220 with shotgun barrels. I have found that they are interchangable on the one that I bought here on GB a while back. I found a 30/30 barrel and I may have it reamed to 30/40 Krag, but this is as hot as I think I'd go with it. Shotgun barrels available were 12, 16, 20 and .410GA. Rifle barrels were .22 Hornet, 25/20, 32/20, and 30/30Win. This is one currently available here on GB.
http://huntinggearauction.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=35475590
3. Almost any quality single shot shotgun can be converted to mild pistol or rifle calibers. Be careful though and dont take it to far. Many of these have soft cast recievers and weak locking systems, so trying to build it into a .300 Eargasplittenloudenboomer would be an invitation to disaster. [B)]
I know this was a long boring read for some, but I hope this helps you out Philo. Better yet, hows about we beat down the door of the boys in Ogden Utah and force them to build us a couple of these at the end of a sharp pointed carrot! Who's with me?[:D]
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I do think in a large measure you are right. It's just that I truly believe that if T/C had built the TCR 83/87 closer to the lines of the Blazer K-95, and priced it around $600, we would not have the Encore Rifle as we know it today. Just my .02
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I have a cased H&H break open rifle. It is a beautiful high grade rifle, but in truth, when it comes to utility I would prefer any of my high grade drop block rifles for their accuracy and strength. 0 -
Single shot T/C Encore Break action rifle/shotgun/ BP/ pistol....
Cal 22-250 26" SS heavy barrel, 8X32 Burris Signature with Signature ZEE rings.
200 yards 55 Nosler BT mild load of 4350. Groups just about 1"
Good trigger, handy and short OAL.
What else can you ask for?0
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