1917 Mouser ID
Can someone please help me identify an old rifle in my collection? There are no stamps or numbers anywhere on the barrel or any other metal parts. The only markings are on the lower end of the butt in a circular pattern and it says from the top in a clockwise direction around a seal or coat of arms that looks like a crown with 4 squares under it "ARMI DI ROMA 1917 FABB (D OR R) ther are also two other small circular stamps above it the says CE and or CR. Sorry I don't have a pic yet my camera is loaned out but should be back tonight or tomorrow. I thought if anyone could help identify this rifle it would be someone here. Thank you for your time and I will upload pics asap.
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Can't find anything in my references with those markings. The word "Armi" is associated with Italian Firearms. Best thing is to post some pictures.
Italy was a belligerent during W W I ( 1914 - 1918 ), fighting primarily the Austrians. The rifle could? be a Carcano or a captured Austrian Mannlicher.
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OK sorry guys I just found some stamps on barrel behind the rear sights with a magnifying glass and here's what is there:
TORRE ANNUNZIATA XU.1514
1885
and a circle with the initials T.J. in it, and under that a P
will send pics asap thank you!0 -
quote:Originally posted by pcnut
OK sorry guys I just found some stamps on barrel behind the rear sights with a magnifying glass and here's what is there:
TORRE ANNUNZIATA XU.1514
1885
and a circle with the initials T.J. in it, and under that a P
will send pics asap thank you!
"Torre Annunziata" 1885 was a Italian Military Arsenal that made Model 1870 Vetterli Rifles. If it's dated 1917 it probably means that your rifle is a Model 1870-87-15, i.e. reworked to take the 6.5 x 52 Carcano Military Cartridge.
Although this was done for military purposes when Italy was in dire straits during the First World War. The conversion is of questionable safety. It would be prudent not to fire the rifle with 6.5 x 52 Ammo.0 -
Thank you so much for the information, and fast responce. Your explanation of it's unreliability may well be the reason this weapon was captured! When you open the action you can clearly see the butt of a shell stuck in the barrell as if it were welded or melted into the opening of the barrel! I will still upload some pics. Thanks Again! 0 -
Hello again and thanks again for your very knowledgeable help. I have posted some pics at the following website:
http://myweb.cableone.net/CLMCKINNON/
I have several other very old rifles, shotguns, mousers & Musket, etc that I will be asking for some more information on. Does anyone have any idea what this particular rifle is worth?
Thanks again! :-)0 -
quote:Originally posted by pcnut
Hello again and thanks again for your very knowledgeable help. I have posted some pics at the following website:
http://myweb.cableone.net/CLMCKINNON/
I have several other very old rifles, shotguns, mousers & Musket, etc that I will be asking for some more information on. Does anyone have any idea what this particular rifle is worth?
Thanks again! :-)
No offense meant. BUT! your images are way to big, specially for folks who have, Dial-up. Your going to have to compress them. Here is a excellent tutorial that will help you in this matter.
http://www.deadzoom.com/member/nktower/tutorials/IrfanView_Tutorial.htm0 -
LOL, sorry my friend, I wanted to make sure they were big enough to see the details, and I run my screen settings at 1280x1024 so things don't seem so big to me. My appologies, I have cut the sizes in half, if you need smaller still, I can do that. Thanks 0 -
It's definitely the Model 1870/87/16 version of the Vetterli, you can identify it by the magazine.
The book values them between $250 & $600 depending on condition. I personally believe thats to high. The last one I ran into, wasn't sold for the $200 asking price. Yours appears to be all there and in Good to Very Good Condition. If it was mine, I'ld price it in the $250 to $350 range and hope for the best.0
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