Any experience with the 460 Rowland?
I just Googled up a couple of articles and you'd think that the Clark drop-in conversion kit for 1911 Gvmt Models was the best thing since Bacon Cheese Grits. I mean .44mag type power out of my good old 1911 sounds too good to be true, is it?
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I experimented with 45 Super loads in the late 80's, early 90's time frame. These were developed by Dean Grennell who was a noted gun writer of the time, specializing in reloading.
The hottest loads were with 200 grain bullets at approximately 1200 fps. The only word you could use to describe the results is "ULGY". Hot loads aren't meant to be shot out of the 45. If you want a 44 Mag, buy a S & W revolver or a Desert Eagle.
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It depends on how you go about it, and what you want out of it. The full charge Rowland loads are DRASTIC in terms of recoil and muzzle jump, even WITH the big compensator that Clark fits to the barre. If you go with the lighter bullets, like the 160 gr swc's or jhp's, and not quite the 1550 fps that the Rowland CAN get them up to, you will be better off. 160 at 1400 fps is still pretty far out in a 1911, but with the big compensator, you can kinda enjoy shooting a few such rds. The 230gr load, at 1350 fps, is flat out a miserable experience to fire. 0 -
Browning designed the 1911 to withstand twice the pressure of the standard miltary 230 grain ball ammo that was to be used. Just about any 1911 is perfectly fine with most any hot load. Forged components are a plus, though, in the interest of longevity.
I've been playing with the .460 Rowland since it first came out, lots of fun, outstanding ballistic performance.
If you're too much of a sissy to stand the recoil of a man's gun, stick to a Ladysmith.
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Up yours, punk 0 -
Don't waste your time with this ah, just another troll stirring. Ignore him and he'll just slither back under his rock. 0 -
Huuummm, how strong do you thing the old Para-Ordnance (alloy) P-14 frames are? I actually like big calibers and don't mind heavy recoil . . . 14-15 rounds of 460 Rowland sounds good, but would it trash the frame? 0 -
yes, with full charge 460 ammo, there's no doubt that the frame would be trashed, it would just be a question of whether it happened in 500 rds, or 5000. In fact, on any frame, the slide and/or barrel is likely to be trashed, too, in a few thousand rds. There's a way to make the 460 uniquely useful, but it's not with the standard weight bullets. 0 -
As usual the clueless have it all figured out.
My mission is to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable.0 -
.460 Rowland is to .45 ACP as 10mm Auto is to .40 S&W. You do the math. Will it be harder on the gun? Of course. But that does not mean it is impractical. You just have to keep up on maintenance a little better. Also do what most 10 shooters do; light loads for range use. I use sedate fatory loads in my 10mm's 80+% of the time just to save wear and tear. I don't need 780 ft/lbs to punch paper. But when faced with a lethal adversary, I like to know that power is there.
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So Rock:
How long have you had your 460
How many rounds do you think you've run through it
How's the gun holding up, etc...
As I mentioned it sounds like a great conversion to me. I've got a 45 or two I haven't shot in years just cause they aren't interesting, this conversion kit might just get one of them active again.0
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