Old German Gun Marked Krupp Fluss Stahl
Has wild boar and fox hand carved on buttstock, checkering on stock, has 3 dogs chasing after boar on buttplate, on reciever has dogs chasing after bore, on the other side has 3 deer 2 doe's and 1 buck, cartride ox and on cartridge box has a man smoking a pipe and engraving with gold and silver inlay with what appears to be birds and floral scroll. Has names or word Hameln A. hickfane, on barrel has word 'Krupp's Fluss Stahl' says Paul Ludewig and Boden Werder under Paul Ludewig. When you take it apart it has lots of marking on the underside of the barrel which look like u's within a crown. Has the word Sicher gold enlayed in front of where the reciever is next the mechanism which changes sites from shotgun to rifle. The trigger gaurd cocks open like a lever action, and the trigger gaurd is highly engraved. Exellent condition. Says Krupp Stahl I was told the it mean Krupp's Steel
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Hello boobskunk...
Welcome to the Experts forum, and for telling us all about your German manufactured firearm... now, did you have a specific question(s)[?] If so, I would kindly suggest posing them in the accepted fashion... afterall, we are not mind readers[:0][:)].
p.s. Krupp was indeed a German steel maker (one of the very best), and "fluss" means "fluid" (a.k.a. rolled steel versus damascus).
Bert H.
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Sorry I was wondering when it was made and how much its worth.
P.S. I do use a single shot.0 -
First, you have not told us what specific type of firearm that it is (e.g. rifle, handgun, or shotgun, though I suspect that it is a shotgun). Second, what caliber/gauge is it?
Now, even if you answer those questions, there is no possible way for anyone of us here to tell you exactly when it was made. What can be postulated, is that it most likely was made sometime after WW I and before WW II. The vast number of records that were kept in Europe were destroyed during both those wars, and even if they survived, those records for foreign manufactured firearms are not a high interest item here in the States.
Value[?] Absolutely no way to even guess at this point. You might consider posting several photos of it.
Bert H.
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I was getting ready to post pictures. Here they are.
http://boobskunk.tripod.com/pictures_of_krupp/0 -
You have a German combination gun, commonly known as a "Drilling". It consists of two shotgun barrels, with a rifle barrel underneath. They were very commonly used for hunting in Europe. Most were made on a custom basis and exhibit beautiful carving of the wood and engraving of the metal, such as yours. Many of them were brought back to the US by GI's as souvenirs after W W II.
Since they are "One of a Kind", custom built guns it would be best for you to take it to a large collectors meeting or "Collectors" type gun show for a hands-on inspection by a knowledgeable and honest collector or dealer. Take it around and show it to a number of people and get there collective opinion of it's history and value.0 -
i would not hunt with it but my grandpa did it was back in the '60's - '80's and no one really cared. thanks for all the info.
boobskunk0 -
Similar question here. I'm thinking about putting this up for sale and would appreciate any info regarding the heritage, price range etc..
Double Barrel shotgun ~20 gauge. SN= 34007.
FLUSSSTAHL FR KRUPP ESSEN
FRITZ WAGNER ALTENBURG
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Mywant
Posts on this forum are locked after 10 replies. You would be much better off to start a new thread, rather than trying to get a quality response in the 2 (now 1) remaining reply.
Your shotgun (nice photo's BTW) was built by/for Herr Wagner (most likely by), in the town of Altenberg, with fluid steel made by the Krupp steel works in the town of Essen0 -
mywantmydesire,
As stated, we close these topics after 10 responses so I will be locking this one after my post.
You have the start to an excellent thread so I suggest going to the top of this forum and selecting the link 'New Topic' to get one started, where we can spend some time looking at the pictures to help with information.
Just write what you've written already and include the great pictures. We could use a couple more photographs which will add significantly to the discussion. When you break open and separate the shotgun barrels from the action, you should see two things:
The water table which is the flat part of the action where the barrels seat.
The bottom of the barrels where the barrels rest on the water table.
These two areas have been stamped at the factory/gunsmith and the proof house with marks that can be deciphered for a little more history.
Please feel free to add any more information you have run across and we can help from there.
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