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  • 1911a1-fan
    I don't know ram this forum is limited to ten replies, and I just burnt one so that leaves you with nine satisfied owners, you may have to have this moved or start additional threads
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  • richbug
    I have never owned a apitol, but did have one of their carbines. The trigger pin always worked out of it, not allowing the trigger to re-set. I would epoxy it it in and it would work for a while, finally I gave up and sold it.

    Had a friend with a similar problem with a 45 pistol of theirs. Get him a used S&W model 10, the money difference should be minimal.

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  • kingjoey
    I have the 9mm carbine and the 40cal pistol. I bought the carbine new to plink with and the pistol I bought from a coworker who needed the funds. I have yet to have any hiccup in either, I have to say that they work, but the wear patterns and galling is a little scary on the 40cal. The carbine is a good (but ugly) plinker

    Pistol = Turd
    Carbine = Polished Turd[;)]

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  • MFI
    We have sold a ton of these in all calibers and have never had one come back or even a complaint about one. Just remember you get what you pay for... Not gonna shoot like a Kimber, Feed like a Ruger or be as reliable as a Beretta. Cant beat them for the price though.
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  • beantownshootah
    This recent thread has some interesting information (including a brief description of my incredibly limited experience with these):

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=162504

    I know you said not to recommend anything different, but really, if you are going to buy your son a first gun, maybe you should spend $200 instead of $100 and find him a used Smith wheelgun or auto.
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  • rsnyder55
    When considering a defense gun, I personally would not choose one regardless of the price until I had run several hundred rounds through them. I have several 'cheap guns' that work well and that I carry where they may be scratched, bumped, etc., but they had to prove themselves. Someone's experience may not be yours.




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  • Wehrmacht_45
    If you want a cheap, reliable, and effective gun get him one of those surplus Makravos kciking around. Its a bit stronger that a standard 380 auto and a shade elow 9mm luger. These things are about indestructible and are worth the 120 or so bucks they go for. Plus they look uch better.

    If you dont even have that much you could look into the Nagant Revolvers that are going for under 100 bucks. Still better than a Hi point and you can shoot 32 S&W long in them or you can get a cylinder so you shoot 32acp
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  • bleu
    Star BM 9mm Compacts are fantastic values. Out the door for $180, with a spare mag that's worth $20. Built mostly like a 1911, but considerably smaller and lighter. Polish the feed ramp for 5 minutes with a Dremel, and it will work fine with 100 gr CorBon PowRBall ammo, which offers about double the power of a Makarov. The Makarov's 1050 fps is not nearly enough to reliably expand a jhp. The 1400 fps of the CorBon 1001 gr is plenty to expand one, tho.
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  • Wehrmacht_45
    I forgot about those Bleu...good idea.
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  • kingjoey
    Bleu, 1050fps will expand a hollowpoint on a Mak just FYI. I've tested a lot of JHP loads for the Mak and the HP designs for that caliber usually have a pretty large cavity for reliable expansion, Hornady XTP's in particular. Reliable operation is more important than what +P++++++ superduper round you're firing. I'd rather have a .22 that functions flawlessly than a 9mm+P+ that jams 0.1% of the time. Murphy's Law will dictate that that .01% will be the time you need it the most

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  • Ramtinxxl
    Thanks for all the excellent input. I'm less inclined to go with Hi-Point and more inclined to look for a good used wheeler--maybe a S&W or even a Taurus. I'll check the pawn shops around town and see what turns up. Again, thanks for making this forum what it is. [^][:)]
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  • bperdue21
    you might even check out those EA Witness 9mm's. i hear a lot of good things about them and id say you could get a real good deal on a used one. i hear their accuracy is surprising for the price.

    When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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  • dbarale
    There you go, for the same price you could get something like this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=34625368
    Not a S&W but I think it still beats a Hi Point, please buy it before I get in trouble with my wife for getting yet another revolver...

    Daniel.
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  • select-fire
    I got a HP carbine in a swap.. got rid of that junk in a heartbeat.
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