Mr Rufe-Snow
You are nothing if not persistent. Apparently you can not accept my word that in fact the first Mannlicher Schoenaurs sporters were designated as the Model 1900. I, at one time, had 49 M-S's in my collection. I have also published articles in the Gun Digest, Gun List, The Single Shot Exchange, etc. Just because your "references" do not allude to a 1900 sporter does not mean they do not exist. Your proof that any M-S 1900s are conversions of military, because "The date (1900)" is one of the most illogical arguments I've ever seen presented. You also note that it must have been a military rifle because of the "stripper clip guides on top of receiver"...most pre-war M-S sporters had them. Finally, you state that the stippling on top of the receiver was there to cover a crest. Where in the area of the stippling do you see room for a crest? You are doing the gentleman who asked the question a great disservice when you insist you are right. I might add that the 1900 Sporter I owned only had UK proof marks. If it had been converted from a military rifle it would have had other proof marks. BTW, I noticed your references to the Steyr model 1893 and 1895. Here is a British sporter on the Model 1892 which I am willing to bet is also not in your "references".
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(2) of my references, "Rifles of The World" by John Walter and "Bolt Action Rifles" by Frank de Haas, state unequivelly that the first Commercial Mannlicher-Schoenauers date to 1903/04.
They also note the Portuguese Trials Rifles of 1900.
I don't care how many M-S you have owned, or how many magazine articles you have written. I believe your trying to pull a fast one, with these "UNKOWN" Model 1900 M-S Sporters. As far as I'm concerned there reworked Portuguse Trials Rifles. You can take it or leave it, like it or lump it.0 -
Joel do you have any idea what a 1900 sporter like the one I have might be worth, and do you know of any resources where I might be able to find out more information on my 1900. I have pictures posted under the previous topic (mannlicher schoenauer m1900) 0 -
I'm no expert on receiver stamping, but the M1900 part of the stamp from the other thread seems to have a slight different texture then the rest of the lettering. It could just be my PC monitor.
Dean
If they don't trust us with guns, how can we trust them with the government?0 -
I suggest you take a look at the article titled "Mannlicher-Schoenaur Rifle Model 1900" on page 145 of the International Arms Review (2) published by Jolex along with John Olsen (ISBN 0-89149-029-9) 0 -
I sold my 1900 sporter for more than a $1000. In the past few months I have noticed that M-Ss seem to be going up at a rapid pace. Thad scott was happy to buy back from me a wonderful Dickson made model 1903 sporter, featuring the British takedown system, for the same retail price I paid him a year previously. He could not stay in business doing that unless the prices had gone up a lot. BTW, British made Mannlicher and M-S sporters have always commanded a higher price than the pure Austrian made sporters. The Mannlicher (Steyr) sporters were so popular with British hunters that they were still being made up until WWII, despite the easy availability of M-S actions. 0 -
I find it interesting that someone could have so much confidence in what is written in a book about firearms. For instance, about two years ago I ran across a Fabarms rifle in a gunshop in the quad cities area of Iowa and Illinois. I have never read aynywhere that Fabarms ever made any rifle and on this forum I asked about this twice and got no reply. I can not prove it because I did not buy the rifle.
Two months ago I ran across a rifle in a pawn shop in Bosman, MT that was marked Frontier Arms, Denver. Once again I asked about this item on this forum and got no reply. It had a rollover stock; I assume that it was made in Englsand and Frontier Arms was some importer in denver.
I have no doubt others have encountered similar situations.
J. Patrick Tatum0
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