CZ-75, 92FS or HP?
Well, as you are the experts....any good advice among these 9mm. A classic CZ-75, a time proved Browning HP or a fancy Beretta 92 FS? Please let me choice wisely...Thanks!
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Well, I'm new on here, but have worked in the industry on and off for 15 years. To me, the choices would come down to how you would be using it. For everyday carrie, I would stay away from the 92 because of size (width especially), and probably go with the High Power (great gun!).
For shooting, I would go with the Beretta because of the smoothness of trigger and action.
I left the CZ out for personal reasons. I have never been that fond of CZ, even though they are fine pistols. Just my personal little predjudice against them I guess.0 -
Bear in mind, HP's are single action, the other 2, double. This is what I would consider first when choosing.
After that, you should always take the gun that fits your hand best. Try them out, like choosing gloves. Whichever one points most naturally for you, take that one.
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I would say the HP, comfortable, natural pointer and if you would like you can get the S F S system installed, (cocked then move the hammer forward and set the safety) . 0 -
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All three are proven, time honored designs with at least 20+ years of solid service history behind them. Any of them would work just fine, and personally I'd pick any of those three over one a Glock or its numerous clones. It comes down to which of the three you like better. Grip is an obvious and important thing, but the functionality of the three are all different.
Given the choice, personally I'd choose the CZ (hands down) for the following reasons:
1. Better grip ergonomics, including more "pointable" in my hands. CZ is actually renowned for this. . .Beretta is known for being "fat" and hard for those with small hands to operate properly.
2. More familiar control ergonomics than the Beretta (same as Browning). Beretta's safety is oddly up for fire, down for safe, the reverse of most guns. It also has a takedown lever. These aren't bad things, they just take getting used to.
3. CZ can go either cocked and locked or double-action for carry; your choice (not guns). Neither of the other two give you that option, though you can get it with some Beretta models or clones like the Taurus if you like.
4. Double action pull of CZ is much better than Beretta (both lighter and smoother). For all three single action trigger is variable depending on individual gun, but is invariably at least OK, and *can* be very good.
5. CZ capacity is highest of 3 (16+1) vs Beretta 15+1 and Browning 13+1.
6. CZ gun is least expensive of the three, at least in part because of poor economy in Czech Republic.
7. CZ is probably most inherently accurate of the three due to inverted rail system, though most cant shoot well enough to take advantage of it, and for service work, thats probably not a real factor.
If you want/need a mag safety, go for the Browning. If you have no use for double action and like nostalgia. . .Browning. If you have really big hands go for the Beretta. (If you have small hands, avoid it!). Another legitimate and viable reason to go for the Beretta is that you already have experience with it from military or service work, or just want the gun our GIs use.
More accessories are available for the Browning and Beretta, but honestly. . .once you've got a holster and sights and maybe grips, what else do you need?
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I am not a big fan of the 9mm, but I have to say, I was impressed by my friends CZ-75. It was by far the most accurate 9mm I have ever shot or seen anyone shoot. It was tight and the finish was flawless. It just felt right in the hand and I would pick it over the HP or 92 any day. Just my opinion.
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I have all three, and the one I carry and use in IDPA is the HP. Size and pointability are the two main reasons.
If it does come to the point where you are struggling and the mag is released, if they are that close, chances are good you may lose control of the gun. In any event, that feature can be deactivated fairly easily and cheaply. I think it cost me 13.00 to have it done. Just be sure to put it back in the event you ever sell the gun to avoid any legal issues haunting you later.0 -
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That is the right answer.
Honestly, you can't go wrong with any of them. The CZ is probably the strongest due to all-steel construction, but I have not heard of any 92FS or Hi-Power KB's. The Beretta and CZ are both TDA (although SA variants are available in higher-end variants) and both hold 15 rounds. The HP is SA and holds 13 rounds. All will have ~5-6 lb SA trigger pull from factory. All are very close in price as well. Most newer HP's do have a mag safety that is difficult to disable. But basically, pick the one that feels best in your hand.
On a side note, you couldn't have listed three better (or more different) guns. For example, the lockwork of each is very unique. The Beretta uses external trigger linkage and frame-mounted sear assembly, while the CZ has an internal around-the-magazine trigger linkage and a self-contained sear assembly that is held to the frame via a pin. The HP's trigger linkage is integral with the slide. All three use different barrel lock-up systems as well (the Beretta's is the most unique).
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Actually there were the equivalent of Beretta 92 "Kb"s with the catastrophic slide failures reported in the 80's in military use, where the slide would fracture and shoot back into the shooters face at high speed. Realistically, those were isolated incidents (never reported before or since) and most probably were an anomaly caused by overzealous use of high-pressure carbine-type loads in those guns.
The slide problem was also subsequently fixed so that even if a slide were to break, the shooter wouldn't be injured. (I think the "S" in the "92FS" refers to the Safety slide design). I wouldn't be put off by this, if I liked the gun otherwise.
I also forgot to mention another potential advantage to the Beretta over the other two. . .the safety is ambidextrous. Though if that mattered to you, it would be just as easy to pay a teensy bit more and get the CZ-85 which has ambi safety, slide stop, and reversible mag release.
Also, If you like stainless (I do), the Beretta and I think Browning are available in stainless, though I don't think there have been any production stainless CZs (yet).
If you've got deep pockets you can go for the Swiss Sphinx CZ clone, which is probably the best of the CZ variants (and probably better than the actual Czech guns). I think this one is available in stainless, and they are supposed to restart importation in the USA again soon.
Incidentally I know as a fact that CZs take 16+1 rounds, or at least the old factory mags can.0
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