antique
how old does a gun have to be to be condered an antique?
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Under the Gun Control Act of 1968 any gun made in 1898 or earlier is considered an antique and not subject to the provisions of the GCA of 1968. I don't know of a specific definition of antique in general use by antique firearms dealers. Some general antique dealers use a meaningless, gobbledegook term "vintage". It seems to mean something like old but not antique. 0 -
The only thing I'd add to the antique definition is that if a gun has been converted to fire modern ammo, it is no longer an antique. The law doesn't specify when the conversion would have taken place, but it probably means after 1898. An antique that fires .45 Colt, for example, that was made in that caliber in 1898 or earlier is still an antique. 0 -
The Gun Control Act (GCA) specifies 1898 or earlier or reproductions of those firearm as long as the reproduction does not use currently available fixed ammunition.
The National Firearms Act (NFA) specifies 1898 or earlier and cannot use currently available fixed ammunition. The NFA only applies to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms.0 -
quote:Originally posted by EOD Guy
The Gun Control Act (GCA) specifies 1898 or earlier or reproductions of those firearm as long as the reproduction does not use currently available fixed ammunition.
The National Firearms Act (NFA) specifies 1898 or earlier and cannot use currently available fixed ammunition. The NFA only applies to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms.
Hello EOD Guy... your information is not quite accurate. Per the current regulations (see the cut & paste below), there is no restriction for "currently available fixed ammunition" for pre 1899 manufactured firearms.
"(16) The term ''antique firearm'' means -
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock,
flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system)
manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if
such replica -
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or
conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition
which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which
is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial
trade; or
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle
loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a
black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed
ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the
term ''antique firearm'' shall not include any weapon which
incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is
converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading
weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition
by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination
thereof."
end quote
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by EOD Guy
The Gun Control Act (GCA) specifies 1898 or earlier or reproductions of those firearm as long as the reproduction does not use currently available fixed ammunition.
The National Firearms Act (NFA) specifies 1898 or earlier and cannot use currently available fixed ammunition. The NFA only applies to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms.
Hello EOD Guy... your information is not quite
accurate. Per the current regulations (see the cut & paste below), there is no restriction for "currently available fixed ammunition" for pre 1899 manufactured firearms.
"(16) The term ''antique firearm'' means -
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock,
flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system)
manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if
such replica -
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or
conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition
which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which
is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial
trade; or
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle
loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a
black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed
ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the
term ''antique firearm'' shall not include any weapon which
incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is
converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading
weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition
by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination
thereof."
end quote
Bert H.
Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
My post is entirely correct. You might not have seen the part that says what NFA firearms are.
There are two different definitions for antique firearms. Firearms covered by the National Firearms Act (NFA) cannot be classified as antiques if they use currently available fixed ammunition unless they have been removed from the NFA as collectors items by the BATF.
The definition you quoted is only for firearms not under the NFA.
Here is the definition for NFA firearms:
TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS
CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
PART 479_MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS
--Table of Contents
Subpart B_Definitions
Sec. 479.11 Meaning of terms.
When used in this part and in forms prescribed under this part,
where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with
the intent thereof, terms shall have the meanings ascribed in this
section. Words in the plural form shall include the singular, and vice
versa, and words importing the masculine gender shall include the
feminine. The terms ``includes'' and ``including'' do not exclude other
things not enumerated which are in the same general class or are
otherwise within the scope thereof.
Antique firearm. Any firearm not designed or redesigned for using
rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and
manufactured in or before 1898 (including any matchlock, flintlock,
percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system or replica thereof,
whether actually manufactured before or after the year 1898) and also
any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for
which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is
not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.0 -
thanks for all the feed back you guys are all very well informed 0
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