Ruger rifle and pistol 44 magnum
I have a Ruger 44Magnum Single Six First Issue with serial# 209 in good condition only wear on the blueing at the end of the barrel.
I have a Ruger Dearstalker 44Magnum in excellent condition only been shot a few times. This is also a First Issue with serial # 209. What the value as a pair with the same serial numbers and the same caliber. The pistol has never been sent to Ruger for recall.
I have a Ruger Dearstalker 44Magnum in excellent condition only been shot a few times. This is also a First Issue with serial # 209. What the value as a pair with the same serial numbers and the same caliber. The pistol has never been sent to Ruger for recall.
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Do you have a "single six' or a "super blackhawk"???? Don't think it can be both.
I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.0 -
The pistol is a single six not a super blackhawk 0 -
Sorry, impossible - maybe a Single Six 22 Mag. but definitely not a .44 Mag.
Read:
http://www.gunblast.com/Hamm_Old_Model_Single-Six.htm0 -
ZZ is right, single sixes are .22 caliber. You probably have a "super blackhawk" or "Blackhawk flat top" if its a .44 mag.
There were only 3750 "deerstalkers" made so it would be somewhat collectable. If you have both these models with the same serial number it would increase their value as a pair even more.
Deerstalkers in 98% condition got for about $600.00 and Super Blackhawks in early models run about $800.00+. Flat top early Super Blackhawks run about $1000.00+
Joe
"Never let school interfere with your education"0 -
I have the pistol in front of me it is a Super Blackhawk. The top of the pistol is a flat top. Serial no. 209 I have had it since 1956. The only wear on it is at the end of the muzzle from the holster. Cylinder is tight in uncocked and full cocked position. I never returned it to Ruger because I was afraid that they might do something that would decrease the value
The gun shop ordered 30 rifles with specific serial numbers. Ruger only was able to match 3 of the 30 requested. I was one of the three lucky
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The rifle has only been shot a few times. I had another Deerstalker which I used for hunting. I sold it last year.
Now back to my original question is what are both of them worth and what should I ask as Premium since they both have the same number 209?0 -
Hi Bob! I'm sure you do ... but it's not a 'single six' ... the 'single six' was ONLY produced in .22. The are no .44 Mag. single six's - IF you DID indeed have one you'd be a single handed shooter immediately after your first shot! LOL
... Ruger 44Magnum Single Six First Issue with serial# 209 ... ."
That's where the confusion was - you've got a Super Blackhawk if you've got a Ruger .44 Mag.
As for value ... I have quite a few Rugers (I am a long time Ruger fan) but I don't know the values - go to the Ruger Forum at:
http://www.rugerforum.com/
They can tell you whatever you want to know about any & all Rugers!
Good luck!0 -
Big Bob T
Sent you an e-mail on the Rugers.
Thanks
JussBad = Gary0 -
If the gun is from 1956, it cannot be a Super Blackhawk since those came out in 1959. Early Super Blackhawks (catalog number S47) have non-fluted cylinders, 7.5" barrels, square-back trigger guard on longer dragoon style grip frame, and the topstrap has protective ridges on either side of the rear sight (not a flattop). One more clue is that the left side of the cylinder frame is marked "SUPER BLACKHAWK".
The regular Blackhawk .44 flattop came out in 1956. The first ones shipped in November of that year. #209 would probably have been one of those. The only barrel length offered at that time was 6.5" and the catalog number was BKH4. Very likely to have been shipped with black hard rubber checkered grips. If the gun has the serrated button ejector rod thumb piece instead of the round button, it is a very rare "type 1" gun and might be worth as much as $2000 if it is in 98% or better condition. More if it has the original yellow and black box.
The Deerstalker is also a rare gun. If minty and boxed, I'm sure it would be at least a $1000 gun, possibly more.
You might be able to get an additional premium for the pair having the same low serial number.
You can find out the shipping dates by calling Ruger at 603-863-3300 and ask for "Records".0 -
What 'WmG' says is correct. The grips frame is the same size as the Single-Six so it will "feel" like it, BUT the cylinder frame is larger, thus it's a 'Blackhawk', if it's a centerfire. You were close, it does get confusing. Good luck!
dan0 -
W/O pictures, SN's, and relevant facts, it is difficult to establish a correct broad base value. There may be Collectors who have the abject "right" to pursue this set of one or two firearms. Pie in the sky values w/o a related base of stated numbers are inappropriate and misleading to the owner and potential offeror. Opinions and reality may have great disparities AKA differences. JMO, Of course. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 363gpa
W/O pictures, SN's, and relevant facts, it is difficult to establish a correct broad base value. There may be Collectors who have the abject "right" to pursue this set of one or two firearms. Pie in the sky values w/o a related base of stated numbers are inappropriate and misleading to the owner and potential offeror.
Let me address your concerns.
1.) The original post was an effort to establish an estimated market value for the guns, not an effort to solicit abject offers.
2.) The SN's were supplied. I believe they are 209 and uh... oh yeah... 209.
3.) The condition was stated that the revolver had just some blue wear on the end of the barrel and the rifle had only been fired a few times. Condition is subjective and I agree that pictures would help. One man's 98% is another man's 90% and there is a huge valuation disparity between the two.
4.) The relevant fact for the revolver was that he has owned it since 1956, therefore it must be a flattop since the Super did not appear until 1959. The .44 flattop began shipping in November of 1956 and some but not all of those had the early flat serrated thumbpiece on the ejector rod. There are very few of these known (under a dozen I believe) since it was difficult to eject the high pressure .44 cases with that type of button (originally designed for the .22 Single Six and later used with mixed success on the .357 flattop), so it was quickly redesigned to the dimpled face round button style by December of that year. And many owners of the original type switched out the ejector rod for that improved style.
5.) My pie in the sky valuation for the revolver was based on the Red Eagle News Exchange's 2004-2005 Price Guide for Ruger Single Action Revolvers and .22 Pistols, wherein a type 1 flattop .44 in 95-98% condition is valued (by collector consensus) at $1350. RENE prices tend to run to the low side, especially on the very rare guns (witness the RSSE that sold here on GunBroker several months ago for 150% of the RENE guidelines). Applying that same 150% to the $1350 figure for a type 1 .44 flattop yields $2025.
6.) Since there is truly not enough information to make an accurate valuation, I was careful to present that high end figure as only a possibility: "might be worth as much as $2000 if it is in 98% or better condition".
7.) Of course, I do not know if the gun is a type 1 or not, so I prefaced that with another caveat: "If the gun has the serrated button". And I urged the owner to call Ruger to confirm the shipping date. If it has the round button and/or was shipped in December of 1956, it is probably a type 2 gun which is worth considerable less because there were far more of those made (yet a low 3 digit gun shipped in 1956 is still very desirable even if a type 2).
8.) Since this is Gun Broker rather than Ruger Forum, we must assume that the owner intends to auction the guns and wants an idea of where to place the reserve or buy-it-now price. It would not be ethical to tell the owner that a gun with a potential value of $2000 is only worth $500. Not that I would think twice about hitting the buy-it-now button if offered for that, but this is a matter of the owner asking knowledgable folks for a legitimate appraisal of value.
9.) Your rights, abject or otherwise, have not been violated. You are free to pursue.
Now, somehow I doubt that the flattop is really a 98% type 1 gun. More likely to be a very early type 2. And more likely to be in less than 98% condition - the bluing wear at the muzzle would have to be just a very faint hint of silvering with the rest of the gun as-new to still be considered 98% IMO. So yes, perhaps it would be best to supply a range of estimated values, say from a 90% type 2 (call it $1000 for a low 3 digit gun) up to the 98% type 1 estimate of $2000.
As for the Deerstalker, you and I both know that there is a collector in Alaska who will pay top dollar for any and all Deerstalkers. I am much less knowledgable about the rifles, and I don't claim much expertise there, but I do have a mint condition boxed 4 digit Deerstalker that I have been offered well in excess of $1000 for. So I think that a non-boxed 3 digit gun that has only been fired a few times would command at least the $1000 figure from a serious collector.
There is a gentleman on Ruger Forum who posts under the user name of HAWKEYE#28 who is the self-proclaimed "Preacher of Value" and he will tell you not to be shy about paying good money for good Rugers, as the prices are only going to go UP! [:D]
My advice to the owner of these #209 guns is to take lots of detailed pictures and post them here on Gun Broker with a one penny minimum bid an NO RESERVE. If the guns have boxes, show those in detail as well. Put each gun in its own listing and reference the fact that there is another #209 gun offered in another auction. Offer free shipping if the same buyer buys both guns. Join Ruger Forum and cross post the auction ads in the Classified section there. This will let the collector market determine the values, which IMO will be quite high.0
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