Remington -91- Ammunition (7.64X54R ?)
I have a few old rounds of ammo that are headstamped Remington -91-. Is this the ammo that Remington made for delievery to the last Tzar of Russia? Can anyone help out with the ID and history of these bullets. They are FMJ (full patch) spitzer, and the rims are slightly rounded towards the outer edge. One of the rounds is stamped with a "U" in the primer, however, all of the other rounds are not.
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Additionally, tonight I found out that the ammo may have been purchased by the US due to the Russians defaulting on the contract and then the Russian Revolution along with hundreds of thousands of Remington and Westinghouse Mosin Nagant rifles. Apparently the US then used the rifles for National Guard duty, for operations near potential Russian influence (Alaska and other Arctic areas), and for US troops that fought in the Russia during the revolution.
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I am sure someone here can either verify the above story, or tell me where it is wrong. Help guys!
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Hello, This is a Cartridge Forum and someone may have an answer there http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/f/forum.php
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It is true that many thousands of Mosin Nagants were made by Remington during WW1, but shipment was halted due to the Russian Revolution. These guns were then used in US military training. Lots were sold to the civilian market. Back during the '20s you could buy a Remington M-N for about $3.
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333, you have the headstamp upside down . . . it's - 16 - and yes it was originally loaded in the "neutral" US for the Russian forces - as were .303 British, 7.65 Belgian Mauser and 8mm Lebel (I have examples of all with dates from 1915-1917 by various US makers in my collection). Even though it was apparent to most people with half a wit that the US would likely be dragged into the conflict eventually (especially given the "help" of British intelligence in orchestrating German "atrocities" against American interests), we were not well prepared. The ammunition and a large number of Nagants were on hand and purchased for training purposes against the day. I've never seen any evidence that anyone actually trained with these, though. The Brits had some 6.5 Japs they used much the same way - those *were* employed in training and later were used to shoot at mines in the North Sea, which is why there one will see Kynoch military loads of WW 1 manufacture. There are a few different dates / loadings, but these are the most common in 7.62x54R (which is not to say they *are* common - just not particularly difficult to find).
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