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shipping .223 ammo from indiana to omaha NE

epiphone
what are the legalities of this? im not going to get in trouble doing this am i?
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  • EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by epiphone
    what are the legalities of this? im not going to get in trouble doing this am i?


    You can ship it UPS ground. Here are the Department of Transportation regulations:

    Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 173

    173.63 Packaging exceptions

    (b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:

    (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol, or shotgun;
    (ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;
    (iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;
    (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and
    (v) Cartridges power devices which are use to project fastening devices.

    (2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:
    (i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;
    (ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;
    (iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;
    (iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 Kg (66 pounds) per package; and
    (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.

    Part 172 (Marking)

    172.316 Packagings containing material classed as ORM-D

    (a) Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material (Cartridges, Small Arms). The ORM designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3 mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side than the designation.

    (b) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering the packaging for transportation that the material is properly described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable regulations of this subchapter.
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  • rufe-snow
    I'm not a resident of either Indiana or Nebraska, far as I know there is no legal problem shipping rifle ammo between the two states.

    The big/expensive problem your going to run into, is in shipping it.

    CAN'T ship ammo thru the mail, ( USPS ). Have to use a common carrier, either UPS or FedEX. From my personal experience they jerk you around big time if you want to ship ammo.

    1), Has to be marked on outside of box "ORME D Small Arms Ammo".

    2), Has to be shipped as hazardous material, even though it isn't.

    3), FedEx won't accept it at their offices. You have to have a truck pick it up with a driver who's certified to handle hazardous material.

    4), They try to prevent you shipping it FedEX ground, and have it shipped by FedEX Air as hazardous material, for much more money.

    Going through the above BS wasn't worth it for me. I just quit shipping ammo.

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  • epiphone
    well the good thing is i work in a wharehouse and ship a lot of ups, so i could probably mark it and just give it to the driver who would take care of me.

    so basically as long as its marked properly there is no problem then?

    we have orm-d stickers, because we ship a lot of aerosol etc...

    thanks in advance and to the people who have already helped.
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  • EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
    I'm not a resident of either Indiana or Nebraska, far as I know there is no legal problem shipping rifle ammo between the two states.

    The big/expensive problem your going to run into, is in shipping it.

    CAN'T ship ammo thru the mail, ( USPS ). Have to use a common carrier, either UPS or FedEX. From my personal experience they jerk you around big time if you want to ship ammo.

    1), Has to be marked on outside of box "ORME D Small Arms Ammo".

    2), Has to be shipped as hazardous material, even though it isn't.

    3), FedEx won't accept it at their offices. You have to have a truck pick it up with a driver who's certified to handle hazardous material.

    4), They try to prevent you shipping it FedEX ground, and have it shipped by FedEX Air as hazardous material, for much more money.

    Going through the above BS wasn't worth it for me. I just quit shipping ammo.

    luger_4.jpg


    Small arms ammunition certainly is considered a hazardous material. DOT classes it as a Division 1.4S explosive. If packaged properly, it can be reclassed as ORM-D, (Other Regulated Material - D), but it is still a hazardous material. Most shippers however, do not charge a HAZMAT fee for ORM-D materials.
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  • EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by epiphone
    well the good thing is i work in a wharehouse and ship a lot of ups, so i could probably mark it and just give it to the driver who would take care of me.

    so basically as long as its marked properly there is no problem then?

    we have orm-d stickers, because we ship a lot of aerosol etc...

    thanks in advance and to the people who have already helped.


    You can't just mark it ORM-D. It has to have the proper shipping name (Cartridges Small Arms) on the package also. The stuff you ship probably ships as "Consumer Commodity".
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  • tazz1958
    unless you got 1 good deal from Indiana just drive to AAA ammo in Omaha and buy a case.

    jeff briese
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  • epiphone
    actually im the one selling it. ha ha.
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  • epiphone
    quote:Originally posted by EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by epiphone
    well the good thing is i work in a wharehouse and ship a lot of ups, so i could probably mark it and just give it to the driver who would take care of me.

    so basically as long as its marked properly there is no problem then?

    we have orm-d stickers, because we ship a lot of aerosol etc...

    thanks in advance and to the people who have already helped.


    You can't just mark it ORM-D. It has to have the proper shipping name (Cartridges Small Arms) on the package also. The stuff you ship probably ships as "Consumer Commodity".


    well, yeah, so if i mark it with contents (small arms ammo) and ORM-D its ok?
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