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staind460
so i was cruising around the m1911.org site after class today . . .

went into their section that lists all of the manufacturers and way down at the bottum under famouse guns there is a pic of an interestingly modified 1911
it has a jerry rigged high cap mag, what looks like a cuts comp off of a thompson and a thompson foregrip on it.

anyone got any info on it, cause it has definately peaked my interest.

here is were the pic is located

http://www.m1911.org/images/s_dillinger.jpg


think that i may go and get a cheap norinco and add the extended mag and all . . would be an interesting thing to play around with at the range
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  • nmyers
    Dillinger was a sociopath, but he wasn't stupid. He wouldn't have been caught dead with something like that.

    Neal
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  • staind460
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4172/images/mpistol.jpg
    http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4172/artifacts.html

    the pic is of the FBi's display of all the dillenger gang weapons.
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  • staind460
    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-40121.html

    there is an interesting discusion on this pic.

    one individual states that it is a 38 super converted to full auto. not sure if ya can convert a 1911 to full auto but hey who knows
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  • zipperzap
    Yep - we 'converted' a .45 semi-auto to fully auto when my friends and I decided to do a little sear work at the tender age of 15, in 1960.

    Of course we knew nothing about nothing and took it out to test fire it (kids - do not try this at home - or anywhere/anytime, for THAT matter).

    We hadn't figured on 'rate of fire.'

    The result was a rather loud boom and a track of dust puffs up the hill in front of us - the last three or four bullets went sailing merrily over the crest of the hill in the general direction of a farm a ways away. (I didn't say we were geniuses!)

    I believe we were using an extended mag - prolly 12 or 15 rounds. The muzzle of the `old slabsides' ended up at a ninety degree angle over the head of the astonished wide eyed shooter. Very bad business! I doubt Dillenger (or anyone else) would be stupid enough do it with perfectly good Thompsons to be had!

    I wouldn't be surprised that the photo .45 was some kind of a 'joke gun' those fellas used to play around with - just a guess.

    My 2? worth.
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  • staind460
    well guys i found some more info. it was a 38 super gun and had a full auto selector switch. this piece apparently pretty famouse in the midwest. i have seen one pic with two examples in it.

    as for the controlability? i bet the 38 super has a alot less recoil than an old .45 but i am unsure cause i have never shot one. plus i bet the erry riged thopson grip helped a little

    this is just what i have found out bout it.maybee i will call the FBIand see what they have to say bout it
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  • zipperzap
    Sounds a little like precurser to the C-96 (Mauser 'Broomhandle') Model 711 & 712 that also had a fire selector mechanism with the fire mode switch on the left side of the frame. They had a removable box magazines for 10 or 20 rounds. Due to the high rate of fire in full auto (1000 rounds/minute) and light barrel, the full auto could be used with any practical effect only for a very short time and only with shoulder stock attached. They were used in very limited quantities by the German Army in the Second World War ... and were pretty much a bust!

    Those were in 9mm - a much less potent round and more controlable ... I can't imagine anything like a 38 Super or larger ... even with a front grip. Sounds neat - but not practical.
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  • v35
    I believe there was a Star, 1911 lookalike, having a selector switch for full auto.
    On a bet with my Army Ordnance predecessor I converted a 1911A1 to automatic. It was non selectable with an external actuator, reaching through a hole in the frame to trip the sear. It was driven by a pin in the slide.
    This was the most dangerous thing ever held in my hand because there was no stopping it once the trigger was pulled. I fired it a few hundred times and it was pretty uncontrollable but it did a good job burnishing barrels.
    After a mishap, when it went off while arming it, I dismantled it.
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  • steeltoe1978
    Here is the link to the weapons used by Dillinger. You will see plain as day that the gun spoken of in this topic is present.

    http://www.auto-ordnance.com/photolibrary.html

    For all of you who said he wouldn't be caught dead with one of these, well, he was. [;)]

    Click on his pic on the right and keep clicking on next until you get there.

    Note on bottom of the page: Note Dillinger's specially modified .38 Super "machine pistol" with Thompson-style fore grip at left center, above the two sawed-off shotguns.
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  • buckdeer
    i don't know about you guys and gals but ol' john and bonnie were loaded for bear, i dont' even carry that many guns in my truck.
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  • staind460
    thanks for all the info guys


    i have been thoroghly interestd by this gun since i saw it
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