Any air gunners here? A few questions
I recently bought a gamo shadow 1000 in .17.Its hard to keep the groups together in windy oklahoma.I was wondering if any of you have used relaoding bullets for this purpose.What are the pros and cons?Is the much heavyer bullet going to stablize or will the twist be too slow? Ive never bought .17 cal bullets;how light do they make them.Any inpute is greatly aprishiated aspesially on accuracy attained with a simalar gun.Thanks
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Hey 39ford, I don't really know much about air guns but you might have better luck posting this question in the Paintball Sport Shooting forum. Just a thought. However there are some pretty smart folks in here and you might get an answer soon enough. Just keep an eye on your topic. good luck with your new .17 cal.
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Get a copy of "American Air Rifles" by James House. It has all the ballistic data and pellet comparisons that you need for air rifles. 0 -
you can not use 'jacketed' bullets in an air rifle. lead only. 0 -
First let me say that I can see no pros, just cons on your idea. The only way it could even remotely work would be if you cast or swaged your own pure lead 17 cal. bullets. Most 17 rifle bullets range from 20gr to 30gr, about 2-3 times too heavy. The barrel steel in most pellet rifles is relatively soft and the rifling is designed for pure lead. As for the twist, I really can't comment since I haven't any numbers to work with, as in velocity, final projectile weight, profile, etc. I don't think the jacketed bullet would even obturate enough to get it out the barrel. Probably get part way down and stick. A real mess! There are a couple of heavier weight hunting type pellets available from several places such as AirGun Express or Pyramid Air. However, the 177 pellet is going to be pushed quite badly no matter what weight you use. Also, the velocity drops off dramatically when you bump up the pellet weight even 2-3 grains. About the only solution is to go to a larger caliber, .20, .22, or even .25, (although the latter is a bit spendy and not a great selection of projectiles available). As far as accuracy with the "ultra" high velocity guns, I personally have never had the accuracy I felt was needed to make clean kills within the range of the 177 pellet. My experience has been as the velocity goes up the accuracy goes down. This is of course only my experience and perhaps my accuracy standards are a bit tighter than some. There are, I'm sure, individual "ultra" high velocity pellet rifles that are extremely accurate, but I suspect they are the rare exception rather than the norm.
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I have the Gamo model 220 Hunter(1000 fps) that I use to practice in the off season just to shoot in the back yard mostly at pine cones and gum balls. I can get some decent accuracy out of this gun. I think the Shadow 1000 is the same gun except it has a synthetic stock and mine is Birch. In my opinion, the problem with tack driving accuracy out of these guns is the trigger is so heavy and the recoil from the spring is ridiculous. RWS and I'm sure others make a "recoilless" airgun that supposedly has very little recoil at all. These are too pricey for me. Anyway, I think you got a good gun. The most accurate pellet I have shot in mine is the Beeman hollowpoint pellet. Good luck.
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E-mail the Gamo company directly and explain your problem to the "T". They will be more than happy to assist you. Or you might want to talk to a live person as most people do.
Just for reference, although companies like RWS, Gamo, daisy, copperhead make all their .177 diameter pellets (NOT BB's) the same size I have found best results of course with Gamo and RWS.
RWS model 48 with only made in germany pellets (sorry to say this but always get made in germany as they far exceed any american type) is great for those pesky crows.
You probably will not likely buy a RWS as you have a Gamo, but if you choose to put RWS pellets through your Gamo (should work fine) they are known to make their pellets under different name brands. Always look for made in germany and you will know.[8D]
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By the way all the pellets in all sizes (.177, .20, .22)I have seen are cast lead, and you should use no different. Daisy and copperhead do make metallic ammo but keep in mind that those are BB's and not what you want to use.
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As the owner of both a Gamo springer and a Daystate PH6 PCP rifle I can tell you that the Gamo is probably capable of some outstanding accuracy if you do your part. How are you holding the gun? An airgun should be held lightly and you need to be very consistent about your hold as there are many factors that can upset a slow moving pellet before it exits the barrel,that is why you see short barrels on many target airguns. Check to be sure the scope is secure as springers are murder on scopes and mounts. Is the scope an airgun model? scopes not made for the reverse recoil of a springer are usually ruined quickly. Try some heavier pellets as slower usually equals more accurate in an airgun. What distance are you shooting at? Diablo pellets lose steam quickly and accuracy suffers at distances over roughly 40 yards with lightweight pellets. Skip the idea about the regular rifle bullets,there are reasons that pellets are made the way they are. If you want exceptional power and accuracy and no recoil, get a PCP air rifle ,the AirForce Talon is a very good PCP for about $500 plus accessories. A nice Daystate with a few doo-dads and a good scope will set you back $2000+. 
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Thanks for all the help. I quickly found out at the gun shop that the bullets wernt going to work. I ended up walking out with two tins of RWS ,one pointed and the other match flat.i have useed the beeman hallow pionts for some time now and they always worked good for me but arent quite as consistant as the RWS.I just got a tasco 3-9x40 on it ,shot about 50 rnds and the accuracy was good at first then it was crazy,i then inspected it and seen the mounts had moved an inch! I fixed it with the piece with the plastic bumper that came with the gun.I'm sure weighing the pellets then catagoring them will help.I carefully seat each one to feel how it fits in the tube, i find that a "loose"pellet will group an inch away from a "tight"pellet,most of the groups are in the 3/8to 1/2" range,chorkie and you guys seem to have a good knowlage of these things what do you do to prepare ammo for a match?
Soory this is a little wordy and thanks for all the help[:)]
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I believe this may be a bit of "overkill" for your situation, but for the utmost in accuracy you need to size each pellet using a sizer, mine is a Nygord, that will size the pellet to the diameter your particular barrel likes the best. This not only makes a uniform diameter, but also rounds out any that may be slightly bent or might have been otherwise dammaged in the container they come in. I have not shot air gun in some time so I'm not sure where to obtain a sizer (I got mine years ago from Gil Hebard), but I suspect Champions Choice or possibly Beeman would have them. Try to get one that has interchangeable sizer dies. The increments are in .0002, if I recall correctly, so it could take 3,4 or even 5 sizes to find the one that works the best. Even the best quality pellets can use this treatment but it would only be noticable in an extremely accurate arms of the Olympic class.
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