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gotstolefrom
I have been making furniture (people and gun), and custom woodworking pieces for over 40 years. Lamination using the proper techniques and layering of materials can produce a finished piece that can be very stable dimensionally. It can be superior during temperature, humidity, and loading extremes, and is generally not in-expensive.

I have seen too many descriptions of 'laminated' stocks that are not laminated at all. They are just pieces either cut at an acute angle with the predominant grain, or a shaping of the wood that reveals the 'growth ring' grain of the wood. It is, in fact, a single solid piece of natural wood with the grain accentuated by cut angle , and not laminated at all. These pieces will not have the properties obtained by laminating proper and select materials.

I can't help but think that at least some of these folks know this and may just claim ignorance rather than admit deception to jack the price up.

Hey, if you believe I am incorrect, please call me out. I just hate to see claims if a 'laminated' stock on a mil-sup, bulk issue stock that just happens to show similar but isolated grain features.
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  • jonk
    Some guns are most DEFINATELY laminated, i.e. German 98k Mauser stocks of later manufacture, being made of multiple layers of birch and glued with either a red or white glue, then shaped. SOme are undoubtedly misadvertising though.

    "...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf
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  • ern98
    Could you be a little more specific. Standing on a soap box and yelling at the world it is wrong is just a little too generalized. Who or what in particular has gotten you so worked up that you have put out this tirade.
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  • He Dog
    gsf, I gotta say I am with Jonk. I have seen a lot of laminated stocks and have a couple, that are laminated. I don't believe I have seen what you are talking about, though I am not doubting you, just have different experience. ya gotta name names, inquiring minds want to know...
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  • gotstolefrom
    Ern98, Thank you for putting me in my place. You are correct.
    This is not the place, and there really is no good place, for an azhole to stand on a soapbox and spout venom indescriminately. It was a poor attempt to try and temper my usual direct full burner approach. I have voiced my 'concerns' directly to one 'guilty' party who had mislead someone who came to me for help. The conditions were corrected. If this particular problem/poster comes up again, I will name names and lay it all out as He Dog suggested.

    Thanks to all of you who, more tactfully than I, penned me in.
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  • JustC
    As far as I am concerned, the only laminated stock that I see as an option is one of current manufacture and epxoy impregnated such as a Boyd's or factory stock (most of them made by Boyd's). If it is laminated correctly, then you can see each individual layer by looking down on the stock from above. The layers will be running lengthwise and are more than obvious.

    why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
    Got Balistics?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    quote:Originally posted by JustC
    As far as I am concerned, the only laminated stock that I see as an option is one of current manufacture and epxoy impregnated such as a Boyd's or factory stock (most of them made by Boyd's). If it is laminated correctly, then you can see each individual layer by looking down on the stock from above. The layers will be running lengthwise and are more than obvious.

    why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
    Got Balistics?


    ditto...if you cannot tell the difference between a laminated stock and a solid wood stock, something is wrong.

    Eric

    All American Arms Company

    www.galleryofguns.com
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  • Pinhead
    I think that the term "laminated" has been highjacked over the years. True laminated wood is cut in thin layers, glued tpgether with a resin epoxy and the wood grain is impregnated through and through with a resin under tons of pressure. As such it will not allow water to infiltrate the pores of the wood and neither will it accept stain to any extent. I have known of the early german laminated stocks being thrown on a wood pile out in the weather and stay there for years without any damge other than collecting a layer of dirt that could be cleaned off. You don't see much true laminated wood anymore because it is expensive to do. What you mostly see these days is what I call plywood. Layers of wood in varying degrees of thickness glued together to form what is a pretty strong and stable piece of wood. It is stronger and more stable than regular wood but not nearly as strong or stable as true laminated wood. Most of the early laminated wood had a thickness of 1/16" amd rarely more than 1/8" of the individual layers. And to stain these laminated blanks, they had to be stained and dried before before the lamination process.
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