DAO design question
I'm looking at purchasing a CCW. According to some articles I've read, the authors feel a good choice is a pistol with an action that is completely trigger-activated and requires no preloading of the firing mechanism. In other words, the pistol would allow a second trigger pull against any misfire without having to manually cycle the slide. Any current offerings available besides the Taurus Millennium that will allow this? In advance, thanks for your help!!!
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That would be any revolver, most all S&W Semi autos, Sigs, Berettas, And I believe H&K's just to mention a few.
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If you just mean a double action auto (ie that will cock itself and strike the primer with a long trigger pull) besides all of the above, the list would also include CZ-75 series pistols (and clones, including EAA Witness, IMI Baby Eagle, etc).
If you are interested in a carry auto, check out the compact CZ. Its a great gun, accurate, reliable, relatively inexpensive, plus unlike many of the other ones mentioned, it has the advantage of also being able to be carried cocked-and-locked, besides hammer-down.
A Glock, by the way, won't do that.
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A true DAO (double action only) will usualy have an aweful heavy trigger pull. In DAO mode the trigger cocks and releases the hammer for every shot. Much like a DA revolver but not as smooth.
Not sure what author reccomends a DAO? I only know of a few citys like Chicago that require their officers carry DAO guns. The "theory" being that the officer really has to think (pull hard) to get the gun to fire and won't accidently shoot. This is lowest common denominator thinking substituted for better training, that I believe tries to prevent law suits against the city for accidental negligent discharges.
There are some Double Action Only semi auto guns like the Sig Sauer DAK that have a decent trigger but are very cost preventative. If I were you I would disregard this author's advice, find a quality semi-auto (non DAO), and go get some traning / range time with it.
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quote:Originally posted by drobs
A true DAO (double action only) will usualy have an aweful heavy trigger pull. In DAO mode the trigger cocks and releases the hammer for every shot. Much like a DA revolver but not as smooth.
Not sure what author reccomends a DAO? I only know of a few citys like Chicago that require their officers carry DAO guns. The "theory" being that the officer really has to think (pull hard) to get the gun to fire and won't accidently shoot. This is lowest common denominator thinking substituted for better training, that I believe tries to prevent law suits against the city for accidental negligent discharges.
There are some Double Action Only semi auto guns like the Sig Sauer DAK that have a decent trigger but are very cost preventative. If I were you I would disregard this author's advice, find a quality semi-auto (non DAO), and go get some traning / range time with it.
The Canadian made Para Ordinance LDA is supposed to have a nice light revolver-like DA-only trigger (the LDA standing for "light double action"), plus they have several models suitable for concealed carry. By all accounts these are great guns, but they are a bit pricey.
I also tend to agree with Drobs. I think probably 95% of the people who carry autos are NOT carrying DAO-only guns. (That would include virtually every soldier with a sidearm, as well as most police). The overwhelming majority of them don't accidentally discharge their guns, nor do they generally have problems with rounds not going off properly when needed. For a properly stored modern factory round to NOT go off when the trigger is pulled on a functional pistol does occasionally happen, but its pretty unusual.
If you are REALLY worried about that, the double action auto probably isn't going to help you anyway, since if the round is so bad that it wont go off the first time, chances are it extremely high that it won't go off with a subsequent primer hit either. At that point you still have to manually clear the gun, and the double action bought you nothing. If potentially bad ammo is what you are worried about, you might as well just carry a revolver. Not only do you get the ability to "clear" any bad round by just pulling the trigger and cycling a new round, but your reliability with a revolver is going to be better than virtually *ANY* auto, without having to worry about a safety during a time of stress.
Where the DAO auto really does have an advantage is with less likelihood of accidental (ie negligent) discharge from the heavier trigger pull. The problem is the advantage you get in safety by making the gun harder to fire with a stiff double-action pull works equally well as a disadvantage when you are trying to shoot the gun quickly and accurately! The heavier trigger pull decreases accuracy (in many cases significantly), and also slightly increases the time it takes for you to fire the gun, including time between shots.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dtbsage@msn.com
I'm looking at purchasing a CCW. According to some articles I've read, the authors feel a good choice is a pistol with an action that is completely trigger-activated and requires no preloading of the firing mechanism. In other words, the pistol would allow a second trigger pull against any misfire without having to manually cycle the slide. Any current offerings available besides the Taurus Millennium that will allow this? In advance, thanks for your help!!!
The Taurus Millennium is nothing but a high priced copy of the Kel-Tec P-11 made in the good old U.S.A. in Florida.[:D] [8D]0
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