CONCEALED CARRY
Getting ready to buy a concealed carry, looking for some advice such as size, caliber, revolver, or pistol
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Whats a decent price for a concealed carry class? I want to give the class to someone as a present but don't want to get ripped off. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bamavol
I know that I am asking for trouble,but here goes. I often see a 9m recommended as the minimum power needed for a concealed carry weapon and more would be better to ensure you can put the bad guy down with one shot. I disagree. As a civilian,I need only enough power to persuade him to look elsewhere for a victim. A cop needs all the power he can handle because he has to go after the bad guy. I have found no expert that reconizes the difference in the mission requirement. Maybe that is because most gun experts come from a police or milertary background.
Bamavol
This is why you get big barrels or handguns that shoot large rounds such as a 45 acp and HIPOINT makes a real cheap .45 that anyone can afford
Revenge is a double edged sword that only kills its wielder0 -
There are a lot of dead people that thought a smaller then 9mm was OK.
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A .22 cal is power enough to kill a man and would make most people run. Problem is that if the guy trying to hurt you is on drugs, really wants something, Does not care about his life, adrenaline is pumping and a whole bunch of other things can be a factor will keep him coming unless you can knock him down and keep him down. If it were me a .40 cal would be my choice ammo price in not too much of a concern. I don't think I will have to protect myself that much. Most importantly is which gun and Cal. do you shoot best and most accuratly. Try some out and choose after you have shot a few. Just my 2 cents. 0 -
When you life is threaten or your loved ones, you need to eliminate the threat not just reduce the threat. As for caliber I would be more concerned with bullet placement. I'm not saying larger rounds are not a good choice, the larger rounds are what I prefer. You just need to be knowledge and proficiency with your firearm. 0 -
'As a civilian' you'll probably be alone, or protecting your family. You won't have access to a shotgun, no radio to call for help, thus no backup on the way. And you want something smaller? To change a bad guys mind?
You don't want to change his mind, you want to STOP him! The 'mission requirement' is the same, making him stop his aggressiveness. If he dies as a result of a few .40 cals in his chest, so be it.
"The Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised!"
-- Gen. George S. Patton
referring to the M1 Garand0 -
look man, just get a Kel-tec P11 9mm. smaller than many .380's, 10+1 shots, I got mine n-i-b for $210
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Bigger is not always better. I own a customized Enhanced Colt Officers .45, a compact Glock 9mm, a Walter PP .380, and a .38 S&W Chiefs Special with a bobbed hammer. These are my "carry guns", depending on the days activity and dress attire. However, I recently purchased on Gunbroker a NIB .32 Seecamp for $375. This is a great little gun that is highly concealable, reliable, always at the ready and virtually maintenance free. It is designed to feed only Winchester silvertip hollow points. This is now my favorite "carry gun". Never leave home without it. 0 -
shot placement, double tap, and move on.Practice if you can in any competition speed steel, ipsc,dualling tree. something where there is pressure. shooting paper doesn't teach you to shoot under pressure My sig 225 9mm 8 shot 2 extra mags is all I need.
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quote:Originally posted by Bamavol
I know that I am asking for trouble,but here goes. I often see a 9m recommended as the minimum power needed for a concealed carry weapon and more would be better to ensure you can put the bad guy down with one shot. I disagree. As a civilian,I need only enough power to persuade him to look elsewhere for a victim. A cop needs all the power he can handle because he has to go after the bad guy. I have found no expert that reconizes the difference in the mission requirement. Maybe that is because most gun experts come from a police or milertary background.
Bamavol
I absolutely agree with you. I think you personally will only need your "superior mental intelect" and a great big smile to persuade your "unknown" prospective attacker to kindly desist in his desire/intention to change your plans for your day/life.
Personally, I would much rather not have the attacker there, enforcing his point of view on me, and wish I wasn't there. But since I am and so is he, I think I would much rather stack the odds in my favor, to the best of my prepared abilities. Quite frankly, I don't think giving my attacker the "fair" opportunity to still come and maime and mutilate or even kill me after I defended myself with my biggest smile, or my .25 ACP... [:0][V][xx(]
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This is to the person with the Seecamp 32, Seecamp does not recomend the use of Winchester Silver tips anymore due to a change in that design. They do however recomend Federal Hollow points. It seems that the most recent Wincester silver tips are not crimped well enough. This was a notice that I received about 6 months ago.
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I guess that in my opinion, bigger has always been better. I have a concealed carry permit from the state of Ohio and I take my gun with me where ever I go. When I ride my motorcycle, my .45 cal is on my belt in the holster loaded with Speer Gold Dot 185 Gr. hollow points, in plain sight. I hope that I never have to use it, but if I ever have to defend myself or my family, I want to be able to drop my target with one shot. You don't go out and hunt bear with a stick. Plus, in a situation where you have to act quickly, your not going to have the time to take precise aim. With a .45, no matter where you hit your target, it's going to either knock them back about three feet, spin them around, or knock them to the ground in agonizing pain. Its your life against theirs. Who's is more important? Again, I hope I never have to shoot someone. Thats one of the reasons that I carry my gone where everybody can see it. It lets them know that I am armed. I've had guns all of my life and I've read too many true stories of the police shooting people numerous times ( sometimes 20 to 30 ) before that person would go down. Why? Because the caliber of choice back then was 9mm. Most law enforcement today carry .40 cal. Sigs or Glocks. You can buy a small framed .40 or .45 cal. that is more than small enough even for someone with small hands. It's your choice. 9mm
Bubba " There is no such thing as having too many guns!"0 -
Originally posted by 9MMBERETTA92
I guess that in my opinion, bigger has always been better. I have a concealed carry permit from the state of Ohio and I take my gun with me where ever I go. When I ride my motorcycle, my .45 cal is on my belt in the holster loaded with Speer Gold Dot 185 Gr. hollow points, in plain sight. I hope that I never have to use it, but if I ever have to defend myself or my family, I want to be able to drop my target with one shot. You don't go out and hunt bear with a stick. Plus, in a situation where you have to act quickly, your not going to have the time to take precise aim. With a .45, no matter where you hit your target, it's going to either knock them back about three feet, spin them around, or knock them to the ground in agonizing pain. Its your life against theirs. Who's is more important? Again, I hope I never have to shoot someone. Thats one of the reasons that I carry my gun where everybody can see it. It lets them know that I am armed. I've had guns all of my life and I've read too many true stories of the police shooting people numerous times ( sometimes 20 to 30 ) before that person would go down. Why? Because the caliber of choice back then was 9mm. Most law enforcement today carry .40 cal. Sigs or Glocks. You can buy a small framed .40 or .45 cal. that is more than small enough even for someone with small hands. It's your choice. 9mm
Bubba " There is no such thing as having too many guns!"
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Bubba " There is no such thing as having too many guns!"0 -
I am a little disappointed but not suprised. Please read my original statement. Then read the responses. You will see that most are not relevant. For example, "Bigger is better". That was not my question and I will not carry a Desert Eagle 44. Also the cost of the gun and ammo is not relevant. I own several guns, including a 40 S&W auto, and lots of ammo. I keep my carry loaded with defense ammo and practice with ball. I could carry all of the fire power some suggest, but what is reasonable? Finally, it has nothing to do with my "smile", or what is "fair", or how many people are dead.
Some comments were thoughtful, but no one addressed the issue of police vs civilian requirements.
Bamavol0 -
Bamavol, reread my post! If you're in a shooting situation, it doesn't matter if you're the police or a civilian. The 'mission' is the same:
MAKE THE BAD GUY STOP HIS AGGRESSIVENESS, AND FOR YOU TO SURVIVE!
I don't know how much more simple I can put it.
(What's the best thing to come out of Alabama?..... I-20!)
"The Greatest Battle Implement Ever Devised!"
-- Gen. George S. Patton
referring to the M1 Garand0 -
I can see where you would think there is a difference in police vs. civilian. But in fact there is none.
Twenty years of law enforcement I have seen it all. The point of a shooting encounter is to make the other person "instantaneously incapacitated". Any other thought is detrimental to your life or the lives of others.
I have seen this in anything from 22 caliber to shotgun rounds. The deciding factor was shot placement. Shot placement is a function of mental state and practice in shooting under stressful conditions.
That is just how it is.
Your mileage may vary.
"Every time a system is made foolproof - a new class of fool emerges."
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