Old remington Shotgun
I have an old Remington 12 ga double barrel that was passed on to me by my grandfather. It's a nice old gun but I know little about it. Hoping you all might help. It has exposed hammers and the only information I can find aside from "Remington" on the breech are the numbers 41151 on the fore stock - hope I am calling that by the right name. That seems strange as that piece is removable and could be put on any gun. The numbers are stamped in the wood and the metal bracketing on the piece. I can add a picture if that helps.
Thank you.
Russ
Thank you.
Russ
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Good Day Forum,
I am looking at a Remington Model 11-48 in 20 gauge which is listed on GB. I have never heard of this model and am wondering if any of you have info on it. I realize it's an older piece, but it appears to be in good shape. Are there any issues with this model and do you think that parts would be available for it?
Thanks to all replies.
John[8D]0 -
Flayderman in "Flayderman's Guide" notes that Remington made a whole series of Hammer Shotguns during the 1880's time frame. The last, Model 1889 was produced as late as 1909.
The specific markings on the shotgun and quality photos of the action would be the best indication of which model, and age of shotgun.
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If You'll Post all the writing you can find on this Remington It could provide the information needed to ascertain the Model and year of production...Every Number and Letter and Name or Word and Patent Date...We can only see what You discribe thru You're Eyes....So be precise....even the lever that opens the barrels might have a letter or number or Name....Help us and Maybe We can help you...........
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Guys,
Sorry, I should have known to add some description. It would take a while to get photos on the net, so I'll just have to go on description.
Starting with the fore grip. As it's pulled off, one end of the metal inside has the matching s/n and the other has a 55. Matching s/n on wood towards fwd tip on inside of wood.
Each barrel has an HP brand like stamp 1/2" fwd of the receiver mating area. There are two drop tangs(double trigger) that mate with the receiver and looking at barrels laying top down the s/n is stamped on closer or lh barrel side. where the fore grip attaches to the "hook" there is a 55 and a double sided 3(or E) on top of the hook boss. Overall length of barrels is 30".
The receiver has same s/n on rh side looking down, a 3/8" screw? with s/n stamped on top opposite it. It then has on the bar that separates the wells for the tangs a 12 and a 55 stamped at right angles to each other. There are two patents, Aug. 9, 1871 and
Apr. 10, 1872
The hammers Circle forward then up and are knurled at the top. The barrel break lever is somewhat beavertailed up and knurled on both sides. There are 4 pins directly behind the hammers. The trigger guard metal curls forward then back behind the rear trigger where there is a leaf that curls back up behind the rear trigger. A tang extends down most of the pistol grip that is checkered and rounded at the the end. Forward trigger fires right rear fires left barrel.
The buttplate is smooth metal curved over the top of stock. -hope that helps, I appreciate thoughts on this shotgun.
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quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
Guys,
Sorry, I should have known to add some description. It would take a while to get photos on the net, so I'll just have to go on description.
Starting with the fore grip. As it's pulled off, one end of the metal inside has the matching s/n and the other has a 55. Matching s/n on wood towards fwd tip on inside of wood.
Each barrel has an HP brand like stamp 1/2" fwd of the receiver mating area. There are two drop tangs(double trigger) that mate with the receiver and looking at barrels laying top down the s/n is stamped on closer or lh barrel side. where the fore grip attaches to the "hook" there is a 55 and a double sided 3(or E) on top of the hook boss. Overall length of barrels is 30".
The receiver has same s/n on rh side looking down, a 3/8" screw? with s/n stamped on top opposite it. It then has on the bar that separates the wells for the tangs a 12 and a 55 stamped at right angles to each other. There are two patents, Aug. 9, 1871 and
Apr. 10, 1872
The hammers Circle forward then up and are knurled at the top. The barrel break lever is somewhat beavertailed up and knurled on both sides. There are 4 pins dierctly behind the hammers. The trigger guard metal curls forward then back behind the rear trigger where there is a leaf that curls back up behind the rear trigger. A tang extends down most of the pistol grip that is checkered and rounded at the the end. Forward trigger fires right rear fires left barrel.
The buttplate is smooth metal curved over the top of stock. -hope that helps, I appreciate thoughts on this shotgun.
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There should be markings on the barrels ( barrel rib ). What are they?0 -
Markings on barrels are E. Remington and Sons, Ilion N.Y. There are no markings I can see on the bottom of the rib.
Also the patent dates are Aug 8 and Apr 16 not the 9 and 10 quoted earlier.
Another thing I left out is the firing pins. They are spring loaded to the rear with a button on the back. The hammer strikes them and in turn they hit the primer. The are not the Whitmore style "hammer lift. Although from first glance they look very much alike.
There is also a rounded dovetail tang that joins the barrel and receiver on top when it closes. The only safety I see is the hammers being in the down position. Thanks for looking Rufe
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quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
Markings on barrels are E. Remington and Sons, Ilion N.Y.
Flayderman identifies the shotguns with that barrel marking as the Models 1885 & 1887. As Remington brought out another model in 1889 it "SEEMS" to limit the production to 4 years. The only thing that causes me to doubt this is your contention that the barrels are NOT Damascus. I didn't think that Remington used steel barrels before the event of smokeless powder.0 -
Rufe,
Thanks for the info. I can't be sure it is not a damascus barrel. There appears to be a grain that runs from base of barrel to tip. There does not appear to be any radial grain I would associate with being damascus, either inside the barrel or out. It could just be that way from years of running a rough cloth over the barrel to give it a longitudinal wear pattern. Which was more than likely my forebearers thoughts on cleaning of firearms. Anyways, thanks much
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The 1889 Remington was available with either Damascus or fluid steel barrels. The ones on my 12 gauge are steel.
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Surbat6,
I appreciate the info very much. I don't think the barrels are damascus, but not really sure as there is a strong patina finish. The "double sided 3 or E" mentioned in my first post looks like caligraphy. That could well be the model then.....rumor had it that was purchased in 1890 or '91. Nothing substantial in the family letters etc. to verify exact date except we know it was owned before the turn of the century. Anyways, thanks again to all who've helped.
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Whipping dead horse here,
I went to the Remington website and looked up 1889 shotguns and it shows that my serial number predates 1889's. Mine is four digit in 88XX and they start at 30,000.
At this point I am assuming it would be an 1885 or 1887. but the Barrels not being definatively damascus is throwing me off. Is there any kind of unusual pattern you could see in a damascus that I'm not seeing? Meaning I have seen damascus before and it's hard to say that these barrels are.
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