Are you out there bobski? High Standard question.
I got back home form my tax man[V] just in time to meet the mailman who delivered the Series 106 Tournament I won at auction last week. This pistol came with two barrels, the first being a 7-1/4" fluted with the "trigger" logo and the second being a 6-3/4" tapered with the "eagle" logo and no provision for the compensator. I assume that neither is correct for that pistol? I have an early Series 107 Trophy which came with a 5-1/2" bull barrel so I installed the 7-1/4" fluted onto the Trophy and then put the 5-1/2" bull barrel onto the Tournament and everything looks great so far.
The question is now what to do with the 6-3/4" tapered barrel? During which series was this barrel used? I am thinking that the eagle logo was discontinued at Series 104. I have a Series 102 Citation "Spacegun" with a 10" barrel coming and I was wondering if the 6-3/4" barrel could also be used on that pistol since I don't do any handgun shooting outdoors and have no use for the 10" barrel (other than for collector purposes). Your thoughts on this subject will be appreciated as would Perry Shooter if he wishes to help me out.
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
The question is now what to do with the 6-3/4" tapered barrel? During which series was this barrel used? I am thinking that the eagle logo was discontinued at Series 104. I have a Series 102 Citation "Spacegun" with a 10" barrel coming and I was wondering if the 6-3/4" barrel could also be used on that pistol since I don't do any handgun shooting outdoors and have no use for the 10" barrel (other than for collector purposes). Your thoughts on this subject will be appreciated as would Perry Shooter if he wishes to help me out.
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian
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the 6 3/4" eagle tapered bbl belongs on your 106 tournament.
your 10" gun isnt going to have a sight on the slide. youre stuck with the 10" bbl staying on it unless you find an 8" bbl designed with the sights on the bbl too. eagle logo switched during the late 106 series.[;)]0 -
Thanks bobski, the 5-1/2" come off right now and the 6-3/4" goes on. I have a few books on High Standards but it is always quicker and easier for me (and the rest of us) to just go the the man with the High Standard answers! I may not even get around to shooting the 10" Series 102 Citation since I am really piling up other High Standards!
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
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Hello check your email I am too dense to post pictures on G.B. these are pictures of the 8 inch LONG RIFLE barrel and 8 inch SHORT barrel that fit on the space gun frame. No I don't want to sell they are only ones I have You really need to shoot the space gun when you get it .because the sights are both on the barrel the sight radius is not that much longer then say a 7 & 1/2 barrel on a 106 . However for old eyes moving the rear sight further from your eye makes both sights clearer . Some of the old timers did this on black powder rifles . It is not uncommon to find 2 or more rear dove tail cuts in old muzzel loader barrels. Hey Bobski I hope he enjoys that space gun . Cheers Karl 0 -
helo pilots in vietnam use to carry personal 10" hi stds in there survival gear. they have a distinct crack to them when fired which made them sound like rifles. the extra length helped downed crew pick off gooks. mark, make sure the red bottomed mag goes with the 106 for correctness.
perry..i think we started something here on gb. we're gonna open a lot of eyes to these great old guns. keep your eyes open and cover me if i cant keep up with q&a!D]0 -
My thanks to both of you fine gentleman for your help. I had a bit of trouble getting the 6-3/4" barrel into the Tournament frame but once it was locked into place I could see quite clearly that it was the original barrel for that pistol since the finish and wear matched exactly. The 7-1/4" fluted looks great on my Trophy and I now have the 5-1/2 bull for a spare. I would have to agree now that I have over looked the High Standards for too many years because I either shot European match pistols or used my S&W Model 41. After purchasing about a half dozen High Standard target pistols (Trophy, Citation, Tournament and even a Sharpshooter) I am amazed at the quality of these pistols, their fit and finish, as well as the potential for accuracy. I am aware that High Standard prices have been rising steadily for the past several years but in my opnion these pistols are still a bargan when you compare them to the current $1000 retail price for a new S&W 41 or look at their clear quality advantage over something like the Ruger. I'm hooked now and there is no turning back!
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian0 -
unless abused, hi stds never go down in value. as more are butchered and parted out by greedy gun dealers, more nice ones will be hard to find. the majority of hi std owners i know tend to sell amongst other hi std owners, to keep them protected from the wolves. with the advent of the internet, the jump in parting out of guns has jumped 200%. rule of thumb, buy em, shoot em, enjoy them, pass them on. enjoy...fellow new collector![:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
After purchasing about a half dozen High Standard target pistols (Trophy, Citation, Tournament and even a Sharpshooter) I am amazed at the quality of these pistols, their fit and finish, as well as the potential for accuracy. I am aware that High Standard prices have been rising steadily for the past several years but in my opnion these pistols are still a bargan when you compare them to the current $1000 retail price for a new S&W 41 or look at their clear quality advantage over something like the Ruger. I'm hooked now and there is no turning back!
Yeah, tell me about it!
Forgive the pun, I think High Standards give you the most bang for the buck for any .22. New Smith 41s cost about $800 in my neck of the woods, and I've not seen a used one under $650, so I find it unbelieveable that you can find something of roughly equivalent quality for (sometimes) under $500. For the same money as the Smith you could get a High Standard and tack on barrel weights, compensator and match grips!
Why anyone would want to pay $350 for a high-end Ruger when they could pay $450 for a more accurate, more collectible, High Standard with better sights, checkered walnut thumbrest grip and vastly superior trigger is beyond me.
What I'd like to know is what were the relative costs of the two guns in the 1960s in the heyday of High Standards? Were the two comparable in price then? It seems odd somehow that the High Standard prices didn't "catch up" to the Smith, especially since they are out of production.0 -
yep that is why i dont like ruger and thier costcutting cruddy craftsmanship especially after what they pulled on my M77 Mark II 6mm rifle.
Revenge is a double edged sword that only kills its wielder0 -
Hello Beantown The Mil Grip Citation that was good enough to get me on the Mayleigh cup at Perry cost me a grand total of $85.00 used about 99% in 1967. I feel that the branching off to rifles ,shotguns and revolvers took so much money that High Standard could not make up the lose and started cutting corners along with high cost of labor and moving the factory . I just wish the new comp. could get their act together . 0 -
economics 101.
demand up, price up.
back in the hey day, hi stds were top dollar and people paid it.
in 65, the s&w 41 came out and hi std was in trouble. it was cutting into sales real bad.
so......demand down, price down.
s&w got popular.
so.......demand up, price up.
hi standard goes into its death throws. logically, why would s&w want to lower its prices? demand is still up.
so, to this day, s&w 41's get top dollar because they can.
smart shoppers of hi stds now, will know that quality is still in the old hi standards. they dont lose value; and, because of it, they command premiums. but in last days it was unions, demand for s&w's, and the gun control act that ruined hi std.
granted, in a desperation attempt in the end, corners were cut starting with ML and SH series guns. that why today you can get them for a song and a dance.
hi std was sold to the leisure group around the mid 70's, who felt cutting corners while keeping price up might be the trick. it wasnt. customers revolted. once hi std left hamden, in house QA went away. guns were assembled from parts built on subcontract. it was... assemble and pray in the hartford plant.
but, for the old school hi stds, they were considered the THE WORLDS FINEST 22 CALIBER AUTOLOADER IN THE WORLD, as it says on the boxes they came in. in my opinion, they still are. and......since demand is going up, guess what?
DEMAND GOES UP? you got it, just look at the auctions....PRICE GOES UP.
the branching out to shotguns and rifles was very smart move. what destroyed it was jfk and robert kennedy laying on the ground. sears dumped guns to be PC.0 -
Here are some representitive prices from catalog listings dated way back in 1968 (I think I was in the 4th grade):
S&W Model 41, 5" or 7-3/8" with muzzel brake.............$120
S&W Model 41, 5" HB with extended front sight............$132
High Standard Trophy, 5-1/2" bull or 7-1/4" fluted........$115
High Standard Citation, military grip or standard grip,
5-1/2" bull barrel or 7-1/4" fluted............................$105
High Standard Tounrament, 5-1/2" bull or 6-3/4" taper......$90
High Standard ISU .22 short, 6-3/4" taper, standard grip...$125
High Standard ISU .22 short, 6-3/4" taper, military grip...$125
Here is the updated photo which now shows the correct barrels installed on the correct pistols: 7-1/4" fluted on the Trophy and the 6-3/4" taper on the Tournament with the 5-1/2" bull as an extra for the Trophy.
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
Mark T. Christian0 -
i cant remember, does your 5.5" bull bbl have grooves on top? 0 -
It does have the grooves on the top and the front sight looks like the type found on a later Citation rather than a Trophy.
"Nothing can ever be made 'idiot proof' because idiots are simply too clever"!
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